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Economical 4x4

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Towing seems to be one area a Phev does well at. Generally have the same towing capacity as an ice but the torque and economy of the electric motor. No old and cheap ones though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Thesmallfarmer


    With the restrictions on newer Diesel engines even getting more stringement,what choice will be there only switch to ev



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Gennerally with vehicles towing power is not the issue. Limits are set to.the braking capacity of the vehicle so I would not see the ability to tow as a serious issue.

    Electric motors have certain advantages, no gearbox and therefore the windup of power will be uninterrupted. Diesel engines are becoming so finicky that electric is probably becoming better rhan them

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    BYD Shark could be a good option for those that need it, it's a range extended electric vehicle rather than a PHEV. Essentially a fully electric vehicle with an on board engine only for when the range is needed. It's a bit beefier than the KGM but in a similar budget way below the other pickups coming out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭straight


    What's an economical 4x4. My Dmax cost 6k 8.5 years ago. Does about 650 kms per 50 litres I'd say. that's better than a petrol 1.6 car i had years ago.

    It's 20+ years old now. Maybe an electric pick up with the 8500k grant plus trade in would be worth a look.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    An EV powered entirely from EV night rate units at 6-7c a unit would be fairly economical the 8.5k of grants could be the icing on the cake.

    Unfortunately my car is not old enough for the scheme though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭straight


    Payback depends alot on the amount of mileage though. I see the byd shark is actually hybrid so wouldn't qualify for the grant I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The 8.5 grant/scrapage is not available against commercial vehicles. The Musso is a commercial vehicle. The BYD shark is classed as a hybrid AFAIK so scrapage is not allowable against that either.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I won't qualify for the extra grant anyway so either could be on the table for me, but I'm leaning towards the pure EV as I don't need the range so servicing should be simpler without the engine.

    My current millage is low, but current car has high mileage and now running into DPF issues from not being driven enough.

    I could very well buy a smaller more economical EV but plenty looks appealing about a SUV derived pickup which will be a lot more economical than the more traditional ladder frame pickups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I don't have an old enough car to trade in to matter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    If you don't over the border you'll get the 2.3T variant. UK spec states 2.3T. It's check with your dealer what it actually is as I'd expect little difference between the regions.

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    Can't see what the asterisk is relating to though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Im not buying anything till Autumn so will give me a chance to look around, it would be interesting what's actually platted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    The biggest issue with modern diesel engines is lack of knowledge on diagnostics and repair of them.

    You have that lad on TikTok with his Milwaukee sds and bit with his ‘dpf solution’ to every single dpf issue.

    You don’t see a knowledge Person like Jimmy o Reilly drilling or pillaging dpf and deleting on ecus as a solution to the problem.

    Its the mechanics who haven’t a clue what their at have brainwashed people into thinking modern diesels are rubbish etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you look at the tear down people do of modern engines it's often design features related to emissions that clog up then cause heat build up. or poor quality parts. This compounded with longer service intervals.

    Older engines didn't have the emissions requirements so could be simpler and less use of plastic parts.

    A lot of fixes for modern engines are more frequent intervals higher quality parts and sometimes circumventing the emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Some of the new imports of older 4x4 from Japan look interesting. Parts might be an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I agree shorter service intervals. 30k kilometers is the standard for many cars even 10+ years old. We have an IX 35 that I did an intermediate oil and filter half way between the setvices. The filter was top of the engine so was easy to access. It was just a matter of sucking out the oul with an oil pump out of Lidl.

    I am not sure its is mechanics. Most mechanics are fairly au fait with new diagnostics. Going to main dealers for all maintenance or even to larger independent garages can become an expensive business.

    When you add fuel, running costs, and maintenance to a any diesel vehicle its substantial if doing significant kilometres. When you factor that onto a farm jeep where there is less and less options for smaller SUV type jeeps trying to find an economical diesel jeep for commuting is getting impossible.

    When you look at the tax benefits and the low running costs of an vehicle like the KGM Musso will do the job it becoming very attractive

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    How often do you service your 4x4s?

    I do mine every 10k km on the button, it's 2016 pre adblue, euro 5 engine.

    Post edited by Conversations 3 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,930 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Conversations 3




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No not until next year and probably late next year at that. Anyway the shark is classed as a hybrid and it has not got the tax advantage of a full electric

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Not yet, but expected next year.

    Still may be worth considering, for anyone needing more tow capacity or long range, price is expected to be similar but there will be no grant, but it will still come in cheaper than the other bigger pickups like D-max, Ranger and Hilux that are on the way.

    Taxwise it may just be a hybrid as it has an engine but it is a range extended EV and has about 100km of EV driving plus 800km with the engine, which is far better than most PHEVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The tax advantage of an EV is the ability to deprecate it in a single year if you had the income to do it. When you add in the running cost savings its a significant savings compared to diesel.or hybrids. With the small battery you are constantly chaging plug in hybrids.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    The basic DMax or hilux aren’t bad value if someone is in the market for a jeep for towing. The cheaper new to the market jeeps are cheap for a reason and don’t seem to the build quality or dealer backup the main brands have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Charging regularly is not that big an issue but compared to most hybrids it has a much higher capacity battery anyway.

    Is depreciating it in a single year much of an advantage if I keep for 8 to 10 anyway? And is it a bigger issue if I don't like it and want to get rid of sooner? I'd be in the high tax bracket from farm income after my off farm job, having a few assets on depreciation yearly is not a bad thing?

    I am leaning more towards the full EV anyway, as don't need the tow capacity or range, but not sure about the accelerated deprecation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    WWell.If you had a chooce of the benefit of 10-16 or even 23k October 12 months or or 1250-2k or even 3k a year for 8 year which would you take. The way I look at the running cost savings replace the depreciation in real terms. As well you have it depreciated so you can deprecate something else in its place. Admittedly if you decide to sell it or trade there may be a slight complication but I always perfer a bird in the hand to a bird in the bush

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Well my farm income is not exactly huge to be honest and I've a few items dropping off depreciation this year so the 8 year may make sense to me anyway.

    But the fuel savings are what will really make it for me, especially with having the solar in now too.

    I'm not fully decided on a vehicle, TBH an e-Vitara probably would do me fine, but I'd like to have a pickup again, the Musso EV is not exactly an outstanding looking vehicle but looks more than capable enough for my needs. I've only mentioned the Shark here as it's the only other option in the same sort of ball park price. I'd love the new D-max EV but it will be an extra 20K and way more powerful than I'll need.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Has the AWD E-Vitara a braked towing figure of only 750 kgs?. One thing I am noticing is the towing capacity of AWD models seems to be lower than 2wd models. Most are permanent 4wd and actually heavy on battery to drive.

    The AWD electric Musso has a range of 380Km. The Hilux has only a range of about 250km and is permanent 4wd. I rang today and was quoted 1.5T towing capacity for the AWD Musso. It has dual electric motors and is expected to retail at 55k ish after grant

    The 2wd looks the best option

    Slava Ukrainii



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