Henry Nowak - I can’t breathe

But Reuteres are basing those reports on Hampshire Police's claims.

And Hampshire Police have been desperately trying to direct the narrative of this murder away from their responsibility since the beginning. The Sunday Times says that three days after Henry Nowak’s death, police wanted to issue a statement describing the incident as "a man who racially abused two men".

By then, they already had evidence that wasn’t the case. It was Henry’s family (and their lawyers) who prevented that from being the official version of events. They weren’t trying to protect Henry. They were trying to protect themselves using deliberate disinformation.

And that has continued all the way through - during the trial they wanted to issue a public statement warning people about "misinformation - they had to be told not to by the CPS. Then after the trial they hastened to post a selection of the judge's comments to say that it wasn't their fault that Henry had died - a version of events that a number of doctors have said doesn't seem to fit with the information so far available.

At this stage I don't believe anything that Hampshire Police say. They have constantly tried to manipulate public opinion in their favour, and against anyone trying to hold them to account.

I think X has done FAR more for Henry Nowak's family than any of the legacy media have done - and if X, and possibly some other SM, but significantly NOT Bluesky, had not existed, I'm confident we would have all been convinced that Nowak was a nasty racist who attacked a poor Sikh.

Did you miss where the BBC "accidentally" misquoted Farage to make out he was calling for "white rage"? And a poster here who (naturally enough) believed it?

Men are more violent.

I wouldn't ever say that it's wrong to criticise Traveller or Muslim violence by the way, but the difference with male violence as a concept is that it's also - yet again- male travellers and male muslims who are violent, rather than female ones.

But I certainly don't think that all societies are equal in terms of propensity for violence. Some are clearly more violent than others.

I don’t see how these claims are based on what Hampshire Police are saying. They are from the people named and are backed up by evidence.

But names come out nowadays. That happens. However, that's it's specifically, and ONLY Grok isn't something I've seen evidence for, but I suppose it's possible.

However I wouldn't be at all surprised, given their other behaviour, that whoever is in charge of public relations at Hampshire police wasn't behind it, or, seeing it happen, maybe blew it up out of proportion. They literally took the family's phones away and tried in several different ways to put the blame on Henry Nowak by calling it a racist incident where HE had attacked two men. Those were actual lies. Then they tried to manipulate the public during the court case. And so on.

So OF COURSE they want to blame X/Grok for the names coming out and/or for the threats to the police officers.

Because without X the chances are they would have been able to keep up the lie that it was a racist altercation which Henry Nowak started.

And to be blunt, I think that is a far more important service both to the public and to Nowak's family than anything Hampshire police did for him. So I don't think it's a coincidence that only X/Grok are being blamed. I suspect that it's yet more attempted manipulation of public opinion by a police force that is partly responsible for an innocent's young man's death.

Well. Somebody did. Hampshire police have claimed that it was Grok - and no other SM site.

That's the same Social Media site that is largely responsible for Hampshire Police's terrible behaviour coming to public notice. Including several attempts by Hampshire Police at manipulating the public narrative around what happened, two of which required them to be threatened with legal action to make them stop.

Since that's nothing like anything I said, I'm going to leave you to your version of reality.

The weirdest part is volchitsa seems to be attempting to justify and downplay it.

Im not saying the names weren’t put out there. Or that that’s not a bad thing.

But it’s a thing that happens these days and claiming that X is the only one responsible for it is … a happy coincidence for Hampshire Police. And unlikely that X is the only place where the names are available.

And given Hampshire Police’s known behaviour already (having to be instructed by the CPS not to put out a public statement telling people in effect not to discuss the case on social media, while also trying very hard to put out blatantly dishonest accounts of it themselves) I would not be surprised to learn that HP had decided to throw a couple of ex police officers under the bus for the greater good of the force. By which I mean the bosses, natch.

You seem to be repeatedly trying to redirect the blame on it.. You've spent more time blaming everyone else after initially implying grok was falsely accused. Plus pushing a nonsensical conspiracy that Hampshire police secretly released false names. The reality is that an AI that is known for no guardrails put an entirely person in danger. If somebody elsewhere might be claiming it that doesn't change the fact that Grok brought it to a huge audience.

Millions of Caucasians are Muslim though, you are presenting them as being different groups to contrast

Islam is the dominant religion in the North Caucasus region and in the South Caucasus you have Azerbaijan which is 97% Muslim

Even if you take the more American definition of Caucasian you can look at the Balkan states, Kosovo, Albania etc and find majority Muslim populations of Caucasians

You are confusing a race of people with a religion which transcends race. Islam is the fastest growing religion with over 2bn followers worldwide across all sorts of races and regions.

You can't compare in the way you are attempting to

I never claimed it was but a platform endangering members of the public is in direct relation to this thread in this case. Btw, this was never me redirecting, you were the person who implied grok hadn't put the name out there and I responded to it.

They're two distinctly different issues but both are relevant to the topic and people such as yourself don't seem to give a **** when random people are placed in danger if it aligns with their general views. Anyway I'll leave you to it.

I didn't say that, but if gender-profiling is ok because one gender is more violent than the other, surely racial-profiling is ok if one race is more violent than the other? So long as both are based on objective statistics, what is the problem?

Is gender equality lesser than racial equality?

That doesn't make any sense.

The reason they tell women not men not to go out alone at night is because of gender profiling!!! If the police were to waste their time telling men to stay inside to protect themselves from a rapist, that would be a dereliction of duty.

I see nothing wrong with gender profiling by the way. The objective of policing is to protect people. If one gender, or one culture, or one race, or any combination of the three, is more likely to commit a crime, the police must focus on that for the protection of all.

Lads, prisons are 95-96 percent occupied by males…..gender profiling is not only normal/natural, but necessary!