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Do people lie or misremember?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,272 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    What am I asking?

    Why do people tell little white lies and then totally forget they said them or make no sense to tell them?

    Another example I can give is and nothing to do with my aunt.

    On St.Stephen's Day.

    Tesco was closed, it was a small town. So it couldn't be mixed up with another Tesco.

    Person A says asks.

    Is Tesco open Today?

    Person B

    Replies "It is, they were in the shop, got a few things.

    Person C & D

    Was like No it's not.(Which was correct.)

    Why did person B say such a blatant lie?

    Post edited by freshpopcorn on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,272 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Thanks everybody!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Person B is so accustomed to lying and spoofing that it has become an automated thing for them. They're a Normie NPC.

    Poor listening may also be a factor, many people are awful listeners.

    Also, many are seemingly terrified of saying "I don't know" (if Tesco is open today) so they spew out some BS if asked a question.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I find some people pay attention to things others forget quickly or have no memory of.

    I could probably describe in detail what my partner and I ate last time we went out to dinner, or places we visited on holiday, but what she was wearing this morning? Um…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,272 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Thanks for that.

    I just find it very interesting.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Strange opinion to hold especially when you consider the scientific research into the relationship between statins & dementia! On the flip side, untreated high cholesterol is a definite factor in developing dementia.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,008 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    You might like this :

    The Invisible Gorilla is a non-fiction book published in 2010, co-authored by Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons. The title of this book refers to an earlier research project by Chabris and Simons revealing that people who are focused on something can easily overlook something else. To demonstrate this effect, they created a video of students passing a basketball between themselves. Viewers asked to count the number of times the players with the white shirts pass the ball often fail to notice a person in a gorilla suit who appears in the center of the image (see Invisible Gorilla Test), an experiment described as "one of the most famous psychological demos ever".[1] Simons and Chabris were awarded an Ig Nobel Prize for the Invisible Gorilla experiment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Never said that cholesterol and obesity weren't large components either. Most people want easy answers like I think 80% of British people would take Ozempic. I am not sure the long term effects of GPL-1's have been shown. Much easier to change your diet and life style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    We dont remember linearly; we believe this happened, then that happened, but that is not how we store memories.

    It's a fascinating subject. I can remember loads of what I learned in school, and the teachers I had, but not one jot of what I learned in my degree. I have met people I used to work with, and I struggle to remember them, yet other people I used to work with I remember really well, right down to conversations we had 20 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Raysin


    We live longer than at any other time = more dementia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Nope all my grandparents generation were bright as buttons when they died in the 1981 in 70s and 90 in 1991 . They knew the grandchildrens same, could tell the Irish twins apart and hadnt handed over the running of the farm fully. My parents were gone daft as brushes in their mid 60s. Both of my parents were pill poppers, would have given Bez from Happy Mondays a good run for his money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd agree but when someone doesn't know the difference between anecdote and data, it's not your job to explain it.

    And to be fair, if someone has reached adulthood and doesn't get it, you probably won't be able to explain it to them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    No, you made a nonsense conspiracy theory comment that statins cause dementia which research has been shown to be a bullsh1t claim!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Selective memory sometimes .

    You know in dreams you replay events or play out situations that your subconscious brain has filed away as "must do better " or traumatic .

    Some people ,especially as they age think they remember things but really they have dreamt them . Have put them to bed in their dreams 🤗

    Also as you enter your late 50s and 60s you start to compartmentalise memories into "need this now ," " important stuff " , " less important stuff " etc and can recall areas that you need now much faster than other areas ie can work efficiently and do things at home on autopilot , but forget the name of the person they bumped into last weekend or the name of a place they visited. Doesn't mean they cannot function on a daily basis at all

    That is why people forget names and words quite often and remember everything once prompted. You have seen good friends and older couples finishing each other's sentences ?

    It's not dementia , it's just a fact of getting older .🧑‍🦳

    There's a name for it , but I just can't for the life of me remember what it is ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Getting off topic here but whilst true lifestyle and diet changes are most important, someone 6+ or more Stone overweight will be fastly better off getting down to a healthy weight whilst dealing with whatever negative side effects of GLP 1s then dealing with the negative consequences of being morbidly obese.

    Not always easy to change lifestyle and diet either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Human memory is terrible. It's one of the reasons that eyewitness testimony is so unreliable.

    In the US the vast majority of people who were exonerated through DNA were originally convicted because of eyewitness testimony. Now some of those would have been lying, but a lot were people who were under oath and believed they were telling the truth.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

    That link has a description of where people were told a fake story about their childhood. And a surprising amount claimed to remember it.

    So if people, when really pushed misremember something, imagine how often it happens in day to day life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yeah, no one ever doted back in the good old days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Raysin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    How many people incorrectly remember the theme tune to Dastardly and Mutley as "Catch the pigeon?" Was discussing this recently with someone, and rather than accept they were misremembering, they found it easier to invent that there was an alternate version.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Now you're misremembering what I said in my post. The claim was the he never mentioned bleach let alone injecting bleach. He did mention disinfectant alright but not bleach.

    Try it for yourself. Ask someone near you if they remember trump talking about injecting bleach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Nevermind misremembering why are you splitting hairs on a stupid thing that guy said six years ago??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Completely Missing the point. People misremember him talking about injecting bleach. That's the topic of the thread, isn't it? Misremembering?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    People sometimes innocently forget things. It's not necessarily lying. Also, people sometimes innocently forget things. It's not necessarily lying.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I've already addressed this. Trump continued a discussion which literally before he spoke had one of his experts refer to treatments using bleach and other disinfectants. It is not quite misremembering it on that basis.

    However I just say that I dont recall such a conversation, never mind multiple conversations like yourself, on the topic where I felt it was worthy of adding to the likes of this discussion. It's almost as if you are trying to say to us that Trump isnt the moron we know he is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Paragraph 2: Thats the vibe i'm getting from that poster too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It's not about whether trump is a moron. I've no interest in defending him.

    But 2 quick points.

    1. Anyone who remembers Trump talking about "injecting bleach" is misremembering, because he didn't say it.

    2. You've misremembered twice in the past few posts to me. I didn't say he talked about injecting bleach "multiple times". That's a misremembering. You also misremembered "disinfectant" instead of bleach. Go back and check my posts if you're not sure.

    Doesn't that show how easily it happens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    This post would make more sense if you were the original poster.

    I find that you keep coming back to this one point frankly bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I brought it up once. After that I just responded to other posters bringing it back up. But it's bang on the nose for the thread because you demonstrated how easily peole misremember things twice when referring to my posts. That's pretty on the nose for the thread too, wouldn't you say?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Re point number 1, I dont recall a discussion with anyone who has said it, nor do I really care because it's not worth remembering in the grand scheme of crap that comes out of Trumps mouth. The man is an utter moron who clearly has issues with dementia and almost everything he says is controversial in some way.

    The multiple times was referring to you supposedly hearing this from people (or have you heard someone claim he said bleach just the once?)

    As for disinfectant instead of bleach, Trump continued a point made by William Bryan which referred to the two. Trump mentioned disinfectant when continuing. I have said this previously but you clearly dont get it.

    Now, go away!

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