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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So stop making sweeping statements, its your opinion.

    Palestinians made their bed. They can lie in it now.

    I dont want Irish football to suffer as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Rather than highlighting the requirement to be insured, perhaps substantiate your claim that the FAI will get a payout.

    It's one thing to have insurance, it's another to successfully claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody is “complaining.” you’re not really making sense here.. a poster made a claim that the vast majority Irish people do not want this match to go ahead. That claim was rubbished. You then tried to decipher some stuff and seem to have got tangled up

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You do realize that the evidence, "rubbishing" the claim still indicates that most people in the country don't want us to play Israel.

    And we know the "vast" majority of FAI delegates felt the same when they last had an opportunity to vote on something related to the matter.

    So what position is it you guys are trying to prove? That you are still in the minority of people in favour of us playing Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    People who care more than you about Irish football would rather the game wasn't played.

    People more heavily involved than you in Irish football would rather the game wasn't played.

    If you cared about Irish football and it's finances, as much as you claimed, you wouldn't be so comfortable about Robbie Keane taking half a million from them in salary while not working for them.

    You are entitled to care about what you want, but when you are going to such efforts to portray yourself as somehow being particularly entitled to express an opinion on what is best for Irish football, it's fair that your position on this matter and the views you hold are directly challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You stated like it was fact that the "vast majority of people in the country", another one of your posts which has been completely debunked like your lets play Celtic nonsense. Its 50%-46%. Not exactly a compelling result one way or another.

    Now Your trying to find another angle to suit your agenda because your grand statement was BS. Your statement was utter garbage, time to put the big boy pants on and apologise for getting it so badly wrong.

    The people in this country consider immigration, cost of living, housing, healthcare etc as a far bigger priority then anything going on in Israel which is equally telling.

    Have you anything to back up these claims or is this just more of your total nonsense?

    You dont know the extent of my involvement in football in this country so you have no right to make any nonsense statement about me.

    The FAI signed a Contract with Robbie Keane and honoured it as they should. You are trying to paint one of our greatest ever players in a bad light when he has done ansolutely nothing wrong which is nothing short of pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    It's a sad state of affairs that a game may have to be moved to another country due to the risk of violence from Palestinian supporters.

    There is no place for violence in sport or politics. These people need to reflect on their behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You dont know the extent of my involvement in football in this country so you have no right to make any nonsense statement about me.

    Yeah, I do, because if you were in any way involved you'd have been shouting it from your first post here.

    And whatever your involvement, I'm 100% sure you don't care about it more than Brian Kerr, or aren't involved as much as current and former players so I stand by my statement.

    You don't get to claim authority on these matters and not to have them challenged.

    Absolutely the people care more about housing/cost of living etc. But the situation in Palestine is on the list of things you produced that they care about.

    You know what wasn't on that list? FAI finances.

    Yet another example of you bringing evidence to the thread that destroys your own arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You might want to look at the track record of Israeli football fans when they go abroad versus that of Palestinian supporters in Ireland.

    Israeli football fans track record at home is nothing to be proud of either for that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Saying that supporters of other teams are violent is not an excuse for you and your fellow Palestinian supporters to be violent.

    IMHO the FAI should make a formal complaint to FIFA re: Palestinian supporters if Ireland has to move a game due to security concerns over their behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    On what evidence are you saying there are concerns about the behaviour of Palestinian supporters?

    I can give you evidence about concerns about about the behaviour of Israeli ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Your the one claiming authority. The "vast majority of people in the country" want Ireland to boycott the games, which has been completely debunked. And now you are trying to weasel your way out of it by moving the goal posts. Everyone can see it. Its pathetic. But no surprise coming from you.

    Brian Kerr cares so much about Irish football that he lives abroad now and has absolutely no involvement in the sport here now bar as an occasional TV pundit.

    And no, you dont know my involvement, past and present. So stop making definitive statements about it please.

    Israel/Gaza scored a whole 4% on the most recent poll. So the other issues like cost of living, housing, healthcare etc scored far higher. So the plight of the Palestinians is very much a minority issue in this country. Thats reality and its by your own admission oddly enough. You stated 46% is a minority so 4% is a tiny minority. Nobody really actually gives a flying fcuk.

    The country is falling apart, murders galore, cost of living out of control, a housing crisis, immigration a disaster, healthcare a disaster, but let's worry about some backwards little sh1thole in the middle east (who treats their own people appallingly BTW) who started a war with Israel and are now getting their asses handed to them on a plate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    You’ve once again replied without actually addressing the point put to you.

    My point was that if politicians shouldn't be involved, then "only SF and PBP support a cancellation" is a completely irrelevant point to make. You can’t claim there should be no political interference and at the same time use the views of a political party to try to validate your argument.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    They are involved in corporate sponsorship. We saw in Drogheda United how a co chairperson who was in SF was forced out when she called for a boycott. A US investment fund is involved in Drogheda United.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Those 20,000 Palestinian kids made their bed? Listen to yourself. Listen to the tripe you’re spouting to somehow prove a point on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Those parties are bringing a motion to Dail Eireann. But nothing can be done with it by government with regard to the FAI as that is political interference. Its a waste of time from those parties when the country has far bigger problems.

    The government, Pb4P, Labour, SF are not in government, cannot interfere with the FAI.

    The government have backed the FAI decision to fulfil the fixtures because they were asked about it. They know they cannot get involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    They own drogheda united. Its not a sponsorship deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You know, you bring a couple of things to the thread.

    Evidence that undermines your own arguments, deflection when that is pointed out to you and then insults when that isn't tolerated.

    And that is why I continue to engage with you, because it shows to readers of the thread what the argument in favour of playing Israel actually consists of.

    You don't give a flying ****, thankfully, you are in the minority, by your own figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    May 2026, Israel Gaza is very much in the minority of thoughts where Irish people are concerned.

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    This is not a minority. Its a marginal difference. Most certainly not the VAST MAJORITY you claimed as FACT on behalf of the entire country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Never seen someone so proud at declaring how lacking in empathy and moral standards they are.

    Yet according to the same poster, even though Robbie Keane made his bed, he shouldn't have to lie in it. Another contradiction in their argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    You have zero interest in football. You don't care about the Irish football team. I do.

    I have little interest in politics tbh.

    Were you protesting the Qatar game recently? No, of course not. There's not enough social media virtue signalling pats on the back for that.

    This is a football thread, hence my initial post about the football implications of a virtue signalling boycott.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is a current affairs thread, about a football topic.

    Don't know why you're mentioning politics, but maybe you should stay in the Football forum if you've little interest in things outside of it.

    Here's a link to help you on your way https://www.boards.ie/categories/soccer



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Its 50%.

    Regarding 4% considering the Israel Palestine conflict as the most important issue, in politics we don't only decide on a single issue. I think Irish people feel quite strongly that Israel is behaving like a colonial power in the West Bank and Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    And 46% think the game should go ahead.

    "Tell me how " stated yesterday IIRC "the vast majority of people in the country" wanted them games boycotted.

    Is that a vast majority?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I didn't use the words the vast majority I think. But certainly 50% is by far the most popular single position.

    I think there's a lot of institutional bias towards Israel in FIFA because of pressure from US billionaires.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,739 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No, it isn't. I'm fine with that.

    But it's still a majority of people, are you fine with that?

    (and the vast majority of FAI delegates voted that the FAI act to take steps to hold Israel to account, which if you care as much about Irish football as you claim, wouldn't you care more about what they say then the public?)



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