New gov scrappage grant of 8500

You ok?

That makes sense, Most 2013 cars are too good or too valuable to let them go for €5K. DD asking prices indicate more than 65% of 2013 cars are north of €5K.

Saw a new Twingo in the flesh today and they are going to scoop up sales and steal secondhand sales. They have a "want one" quality to them even in base trim with hubcaps.

Do you need to use the crumple zone a lot?

On local trips it's not much of a risk. If depends on how risky your trips are..

Yeah,had a look - gonna sell alright!

Mpv 7 seater is more versatile than regular saloon. It's physics.

The whole GAA thing er what? Often car pooled for matches.

I didn’t realise the 3k is already included in EV Prices, so it’s just the extra 5k so (for your scrappage car?)

If they are selling "way more" in that bracket they don't need the grant.

I'm guessing more people with an old car will go for a EV at the lower end. Then a more expensive one.

But who knows....

Much as I'm a fan of lightweight EVs.

"...: A single commercial semi-truck does the equivalent road damage of roughly 2,000 to 2,500 electric passenger cars.."

"...Road wear scales to the fourth power of axle weight..."

"... heavy commercial transport remains the exclusive driver of major highway degradation..."

It's also those double axles and tires they create "..immense shearing forces…" on roads.

Even if every car was replaced with a the biggest eTron it would still be a tiny % of the damage trucks do.

The vast majority of roads in Ireland don't experience artics or large rigids on a regular basis yet do need regular maintenance at great cost.

Separately, you're falling for the logical fallacy that people trot out when they claim Ireland shouldn't care about their emissions: just because something makes up only a component of something, doesn't mean reducing it isn't consequential. I'm not arguing that swapping to EVs is pointless because they're heavier than ICE vehicles, I'm pointing out that lower weight EVs have an additional benefit (actually, they have many - better efficiency, less dangerous in collisions, less tyre wear etc etc)

A quick google for 'shearing forces' brings up nothing relevant, nor does the AI overview - unless you're talking about bridges, or a type of damage on roads I've never ever seen in Ireland and that only occurs due to repeated emergency braking and heavy acceleration?

Logical fallacy my arsk. There are lots of studies about the weight of twice trucks Vs passenger vehicles and road wear. I just looked them up.

Vast majority of roads in Ireland don't experience fleets of etrons either. Trying to imply that they are the cause of road damage is daft. The % of BEV in the national fleet is tiny.

I've no problem with the idea of lighter vehicles but the grant has nothing to do with that. We've actually encouraged heavier diesel vehicles with the motor tax system. Long before EVs. The dogma from everyone about range even if people don't need it, means batteries will only get bigger. In Japan regulations created the mei class of tiny vehicles. In Europe they'd make it unviable to make small cars. Those segments like the VW Up are disappearing. You can't fit all the EU safety equipment in a smaller car and make a profit.

The grant is testing can they shift people from old vehicles to new ones for the emission fines Ireland is facing.

If they tested for Dpf deletes it would take a lot if those old cars off the road.

The rural road network (“L” classification) are being shredded by milk collection artic trucks travelling from farm to farm until full. After that the fleet of massive tractors and other agricultural machinery does the rest. To a lesser extent bin lorries and school buses. Damage to the most of our roads is nothing to do with cars. Whether it’s an Inster or an e-Tron isn’t of much relevance.