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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    We wont be hosting them unfortunately. Home Game will likely be played in Hungary or possibly Austria

    The many Irish former players commenting on it had no problem with us hosting Qatar by choice. Some even took a pay cheque for working at the game.

    The current players and coaches commenting had no problem collecting a pay cheque for playing Qatar.

    So I think its fair to say they are not being totally honest with themselves or the rest of us. Certain element of looking after themselves when they see the disgusting way Robbie Keane is being treated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Its been explained to you repeatedly why there's talk of boycotting Israel but not Qatar.

    Its telling that you think Robbie Keane is being treated disgustingly when all that has happened him is people have said they wanted him to have nothing to do with teams that represent them

    What's disgusting about that?

    Also, if you're so interested in the finances of the FAI, you shouldn't teally be a fan of his given he took a 250k/salary from them for 2 years despite not doing any work for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Do you know anything about international football players, club football players, clubs and fans of the club?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    they see the disgusting way Robbie Keane is being treated

    Any more info on this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The same fans had no issues with Ex IDF soldiers lining out for celtic. So their opinion doesn't matter. Robbie Keane didnt kill or hurt anyone. Unlike some of the guys they were cheering over the last 25 years.

    So why do you think IRELAND should associate with Celtic given their links to the IDF?

    Robbie Keane had a contract with the FAI and they had to honour it. Like anyone in the world, if you have a contract then it should be honoured.

    Seamus Coleman says he knows "the difference between right and wrong" but he took a pay cheque to play v Qatar. So he is just looking after #1 making sure he can get a cushy media job in future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    He is being vilified on social media by Celtic fans in particular for spending the 2023/24 season as manager of Maccabi Tel Aviv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Wow, some social media users are saying unkind things about Keane. Have you only just found out about social media?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    When the abuse extends into his family then it has crossed a boundary. Some of it is vile.

    We will have the same things about Ireland players in autumn after the two Ireland v Israel games

    This is a palestinian journalist after the Scotland Israel Women's game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    But but but we"ve been told many times on this thread that Celtic would support the boycott and be an alternative opponent earning loads of money for the FAI.

    And now we find out that a Celtic player played in yesterdays womens International between Scotland and Israel........

    We"re all confused now.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What do you think this Twitter user is doing with this tweet?

    In simple terms, in your view?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    he is glorifying sexual violence against women, especially Israeli women, and is celebrating sexual violence against Israeli women on Otcober 7th in particular.

    And he is trying to hide this with the last paragraph reference to how Israel retaliated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wow. You’ve conducted some nationwide survey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    O'Shea is as entitled to open his mouth and comment just as much as you are.

    To say otherwise comes across as sour grapes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    If he is going to comment, he should have his facts straight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No-one condones abuse of anyone - protest and respectful comments are fair enough - especially high profile managers.

    Gas how you waved away fisticuffs and objects thrown at Israeli players as "nothing to see here" but you're outraged at a few people saying horrible things to Robbie Keane.

    You've some strange (and movable) boundaries it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The Albanian game was fairly tame stuff. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a snowflake. A football match in a semi Hostile atmosphere, god forbid. What is the world coming to.

    Ive been to LOI games where pigs heads, feet have been thrown onto the pitch. Your going on Like there was a full on riot in tirana. It was a bit of pushing and shoving.

    People going on social media making threats against Robbie Keane's wife and family are scum.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Football hooliganism is out of control with Macabee Tel Aviv.

    I remember the 1996 Lansdowne Road riots, though they were the British Far Right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Why? He's perfectly entitled to give his opinion.

    With all the commentary of even just the last two or three days, seems there is a push to force FIFA to enforce their rules and ban Israel.

    O'Shea is just another voice in that building crescendo.

    Perhaps you're miffed because the light shining on the issue just got a whole lot brighter? And the chances of FIFA banning Israel just got a whole lot closer.

    If FIFA ban Israel, would you be ok with that? Is it just a boycott (loss of revenue, points, exclusion for IRL) that you're against?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    O'shea is calling on government intervention. It is not the Governments place to intervene especially when its a big no no with FIFA

    If FIFA ban Israel then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As I said Paddy, you've some strange boundaries.

    Some people posting mean things about Robbie Keane gets you outraged whereas violence in a football game is just "meh".

    That makes no sense.

    Perhaps it's something else that's bothering you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I think you're reading way too much into O'Shea's words.

    "Hopefully the authorities, and the government, Uefa, can resolve it for us.” 

    He's is most certainly not asking that the government get directly involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    He literally mentions the government. So why mention them if he doesn't want them to get involved? Ita exactly what he has said. Yet you are twisting it.

    Bizarre stuff from you. Its not a government issue. The government should be more focused on fixing Ireland given israel/gaza ranks very low on the publics priority lists.

    .

    There was no violence in the albania v Israel game. If that is what you see as violence then that is snowflake territory.

    People posting threats or wishing certain things happen to Robbie Keane family just because he spent a year In Israel is disgusting.

    .

    Nothing bothering me. Just a pity I wont get to see the Ireland v Israel game in person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mr. "I don't care" clutching his pearls over some bloke's tweet.

    FFS

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Mayo and Louth




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, at the mention of the word "government", you are adamant that he is asking the government to be directly involved?

    You might be surprised - there are usually back channels, friendships and acquaintances between government officials and lots of other people. I think he is calling in those conversations to be had if possible. And bear in mind, the govt. only a couple of days ago, clearly stated the FAI have the final call on the match being played. The govt. will not get further involved at an official level. But they can make "private" representations.

    I'm not twisting anything paddy. But I think you are. And if anything is bizarre its your outrage about this issue. You conveniently focus on OSheas use of Govt but totally ignore the entirety of his quote.

    The Albania game - what were the two yellow cards for then? There was violence and you know it. I'm no snowflake paddy but I know violence and incitement to violence when I see it. You just see what you want to see.

    What's stopping you seeing the irl-is game?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The government cannot make any representations and nor should they, its not their place. JOS is clearly calling on the government to get involved. He shouldn't be.

    If pushing and shoving is violence then you are a snowflake. "Incitement to violence", you really need to get out a bit more.

    The home game will be moved to Hungary or Austria sadly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No - the incitement was the Israeli player taunting the Albanian fans. Who then threw stuff at the Israelis.

    Well, if you think someone telling Robbie Keane to eff off is outrageous, I'd call that being a snowflake. You can hurl all the insults you like paddy - as I've said before, try to stay classy. You do yourself no favours and just come across as bitter and angry and flailing all over the place.

    If you read my post about back channels and informal representations, you'd have a better understanding if how govt works. But O'Shea also clearly called on "the authorities" and UEFA to resolve the issue. Your outrage and focus on "government" is clouding your judgement.

    Will you not travel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    People stating they hope Keanes kids die is vile or making body shaming misogynistic comments/videos about his wife. He is an Irish legend and deserves to be shown some respect. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation about anything and is free to make decisions about his own life.

    You obviously dont go to football matches if that Albania game triggers you so much. It was fairly standard fare. You wouldnt be commenting on it if it wasn't for Israel playing.

    If that was violence, how many player were taken to hospital with injuries? Presumably there was large number of casualties? Did the Albanian cops make many arrests ?

    JoS literally called on the government to intervene, they cannot and should not. Its upto the FAI to make representations , they already did, it was dealt with. Move on now.

    Game will be behind closed doors, in Austria or Hungary. So pointless to travel. Its a shame really that the game is lost to dublin. Ireland losing home advantage especially. Makes the nations league campaign that bit more difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Being manager of a club whose fans chant "gas the Arabs" is not a good look paddy. Continuing that job in the midst of the Israeli genocide is also not a good look. He's a grown man and of course he's free to make decisions. And people are free to criticise him - as they do every other manager who ever existed.

    No need to get into a childish strop about the Albanian game - I've seen plenty of football games - probably way more than you. That was a violent incident. Cards were shown so the referee also issued sanctions for violence and incitement. Objects were thrown from the stands - that is violence.

    You could always send the FAI the price of a ticket as an act of solidarity I suppose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The same fans posting this stuff had no problem with IDF soldiers representing "their club" in the last 25 years. And its not like Israel/Palestine fell out in October 2023 when Palestine decided to attack Israel, which was 4 or 5 months after Keane moved there. So where was the outrage then?

    The same fans, many of them Irish, attended the game last week in Aviva v Qatar judging by their timeline, a country with a horrific human rights record. But yeah Robbie Keane is the problem because some Israeli fans chanted a few things. Football is tribal, chants happen, have heard and seen much worse. Look at Leeds/Liverpool/ Man Utd over the various tragedies their fans have endured.

    Ive seen/heard celtic fans singing songs about the "orange crush" at Ibrox where kids as young as 8 died. So no, i wont be using them as a moral compass and they should wind their necks in about Robbie Keane.

    Ive Been to ~ 1700 football matches (mostly LOI/European games) in my life. About 260ish ireland internationals including the 2002 world cup. Have seen actual violence at games. The Albania v Israel game was nothing.

    It speaks more about your obsessive, unhealthy hatred of anything to do with Israel that you need to hype that up from what it was (nothing) to some sort of outrageous event. A referee dished out two yellow cards. Appalling stuff. Won't somebody please think of the children.

    The FAI have my money for the game v Israel. If it gets moved out of Ireland, I won't be seeking a refund. If they boycott the game I will seek a refund.



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