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New gov scrappage grant of 8500

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Yeah, we all know which quadrant General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord would have put Eamon into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,574 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    eCars for many years have been the most consistent supplier of DC and AC chargers. When none of the others were doing it.

    However being first means they are older chargers and site designs. I might choose them less often now because of their short cables and tight spaces. But are still often the only charger in a town.

    You can see the stats here...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Thats never going to happen. It would put private individuals at a much greater advantage than dealers importing from the UK. SIMI would lobby against it. And either way the government are never going to introduce such a scheme. The UK is outside of the EU therefore import taxes need to be paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭wassie


    Still sh!ts me that the Govt did not attempt to get any kind of exemption or relief during the Brexit negotiations or even more recently with the Windsor framework from the EU in relation to importing cars from the UK given we are an outlier in the EU with regard to RHD vehicles.

    In fact those fkers at SIMI heavily lobbied the Govt during this entire period for even stricter controls, not for exemptions, so joe public could get screwed even more.

    Good auld Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Agree there. Brexit was almost as bad for Ireland as it was for the UK. Customs must be loving all the extra fees coming in. Car prices increased a lot here as dealers had the monopoly that they were planning all along during the discussions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    There isn't a single dealer in the entire country that has benefited from Brexit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    So every single one, really. Prove it then. And don't include the dodgy ones that advertised on donedeal pretending they aren't dealers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Brexit was a gift to the gouging Irish car dealers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    How are massive price increases a good thing for dealers? Its bad for everyone. When selling prices increase it means purchase prices increase too. The main source of cars for dealers was practically finished overnight. How is that a good thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,276 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I drive an 08 Golf 1.4 petrol with 286km on the clock. I have a feeling they might be a few issues with it.

    I am very tempted by the Renault 5 or the upcoming VW Polo.

    Anybody know how to get the ball rolling, regarding getting this grant, having a charger installed, etc. I live in a bungalow built in 1990.

    I am very tempted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Placing an order for the car will trigger the grant, your dealer will sort that for you. Renault 5 is a cracking car, tight in the back with a tall driver but thats about the only drawback. Look at renault 4 also if you want a bit more space.

    Polo looks great too, lots of nice options in that class now.

    Placing an order for a home charger will trigger the grant for that, theres absolutely loads of installation companies, even local electricians are doing them

    Fokearn are recommended here quite a bit for installations, they did it for my brother and for a work colleague all went well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Agree 100% I hope khamilton on here reads this and allows himself/herself to be educated by it.

    Scrapping a low mileage roadworthy car and replacing it with a new EV or indeed ICE car is a crime against the environment and the earths finite supply of precious rare minerals. This crime is being aided and abetted by our government by introducing this scrappage scheme and misappropriating our taxes in the process. The long term damage being done to our planet by this misguided, shortsighted policy is incalculable.

    Perhaps the government here and indeed worldwide should consider some scheme that would encourage owners of vehicles in the 13 to 30 year old bracket to keep and maintain them to the end of their 'natural' life. Zero road tax, free annual NCT / CVRT test or similar incentives would help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Because if you have €60k plus to drop on a car you do not really need any assistance from the tax payer in doing so and if there is no upper limit it would be inclined to have an inflationary effect on prices to a greater extent than it may have as is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Yes, yes they very much are paying VRT on a new car, do you think VRT only applies to used imports?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,574 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A tiny % of cars that old are "low" mileage...

    Even old cars with low mileage are not immune to age. Rubber vulcanises, plastics crumble, wires get brittle, seals fail, metal rusts, glue turns to powder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,977 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I sold a 15 yo car for an elderly relative last year - very low milage (under 100k) - but yes this particular car had a leaking boot amongst other issues - it was certainly a candidate for this scheme.

    I had a 17 yo car in much better condition and 3 times the milage - some cars just don’t last that sort of distance unless garaged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Tell Denmark that, a country who's metrics are often compared to Ireland.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    90% of EV's are charged at home.

    Despite this the charging network is mushrooming, especially in the past 12 months. On my regular drive from Portlaoise to the mountains of rural west Waterford where I live there's as many places to pull off for a charge as there is service stations.

    I have never had to queue as there's always been a nearby alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭crl84


    Not really. Limited numbers for this scheme, so will have very little impact on existing EVs. Especially with demand increasing far far more every month than the scheme numbers. Pretty much negligible effect on existing values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Not many people have 60k plus to “drop” on a new car most will be financed through PCP (or HP/loans to a lesser extent). Most family EVs will be falling into the 50k plus bracket which is the grant/scrappage cut off not 60k. So already under pressure family are probably the most ones being left out by this to be honest as the more expensive EVs tend to be family ones/7 seaters rather than very premium cars which you find with ICE cars as prices get high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SteM


    What's the obsession with 7 seaters in this country (or is it just on this thread)? Do the majority of people that get them actually need them? I see people on our road with 3 kids and they seem to cope fine with regular saloons or hatchbacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Who wants their kids in the crumple zone at the back anyway? **** that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭mrm


    Oh it's just the same ol' sh*t from those who weirdly resent people owning EVs.....7 seaters being over the cost threshold is the focus for them now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Anyone with young kids/teens generally finds it very convenient to have one 7 seater in a household. Especially if you live in the countryside. Outside of your own kids, it’ll come in useful with the kids friends/cousins/neighbours etc. Birthday parties, school runs, beach, GAA matches etc. Even Grandparents. Fold down the seats and you’ve the convenience of a van to move/collect furniture/white goods/bikes/gardening equipment etc. They also hold their value far better than a similar 5 seater. Well worth having but very little available in an EV unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭mrm


    Convenience for what? 4 standard cars can bring a whole soccer team for example to a pitch. That's 7 parents and the subs parents potentially missing the match....never experienced this status in attending near 200 underage matches (even extended to GAA larger team numbers). People just make up nonsense scenarios in the EV threads. Are the ice threads full of this ****....telling purchasers you should have at least one 7 seater on the drive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    I was looking at the Mercedes EQB. Lovely car but a bit restricted in the back row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    Agreeing with something doesn't make it true.

    Amazingly, there are plentiful studies on how climate-efficient it is to scrap older cars and replace them with new EVs. I know you hate studies, facts, information and indeed, anything to do with science or rationality, but that's beside the point. You are categorically wrong and climate change denying.

    Handily, the link I had already provided and that you have already ignored twice clearly shows in infographics just how much of a ICE vehicle's lifecycle emissions come purely from fuel usage: https://theicct.org/publication/electric-cars-life-cycle-analysis-emissions-europe-jul25/

    While how long it will take to pay the 'manufacturing debt' back will vary from car to car and grid to grid, it will be 1.5-4 years in almost all circumstances.

    https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/factcheck/electric-vehicles/index.html#section-old-bangers-are-the-green-motorist-s-choice + https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/08/fact-check-why-rowan-atkinson-is-wrong-about-electric-vehicles

    Here's the modelling for the UK of an EV with 18.5Wh/km vs a petrol car with an average fuel usage of 8l/100km - it takes only 18 months for the BEV to be producing less emissions than just continuing to drive a petrol car, even when including its manufacturing and recycling.

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    Are you every going to actually reply with something substantive instead of force-feeding climate change denial?

    Also, it's absolutely bizarre to be claiming vehicles have a 'natural lifespan'. What the actual like 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Fitpatrick's Hyundai in Kildare were on one of the social media saying they had 5 separate enquiries and 5 sales of Insters yesterday all with a qualifying car to scrap.

    None on their more exoensive cars, it just brought an already cheap car even cheaper making it easy decision. Its more of a decision to go from an old sub 5k car to an ioniq5



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Wouldn’t touch an EQB unless it’s going to be used as a 5 seater only. 3rd row seating is a joke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Each to their own if that’s really what you think. I’ve had some type of 7 seater in my driveway for the last 12 years. Unlikely I’d be without one until one of the kids has a car of their own. Even with only 5 on board on a long journey, often someone will opt to jump in the 3rd row and it gives a bit of extra space in the 2nd row seats. Resale values are proof of demand for 7 seaters. They’re extremely useful family cars. Not everyone wants the limitations of a Golf/ Focus sized car. Can’t say what’s in the ICE threads, I’m rarely there.



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