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Henry Nowak - I can’t breathe

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    More whataboutery. People in the UK need Pride because there are mainstream politicians in the UK who want to strip them of their rights. Moving the goalposts to bring in more of this right wing crap doesn't change that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,980 ✭✭✭almostover


    Are her concerns legitimate? Where does she have evidence of a racially motivated killing of Salika as she has claimed? Or is it dog whistling?

    Yes, Farage has gone too far with his 'white rage' comments, I agree fully. The far left is definitely more covert in their communication style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,980 ✭✭✭almostover


    Is your definition of 'moderate centrist shtick' pointing out that both ends of the spectrum are engaging the divisive identity politics? Particularly with respect to race. If so, then I'm guilty.

    Yes, I agree Farage and his ilk want to fuel civil unrest. But by the same token wasn't there a push for BLM style riots by the hard left in this country in the wake of Salika's death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Whether it's the UK or the US, black people account for a disproportionately high share of crimes commited. In the US for example, Walmart's, Walgreens, Best Buy etc have pulled out of predominantly black neighbours because of looting.

    For example, we used to collect statistics in Ireland on the nationalities of rapists until Sinn Féin and others went after AGS and the DPP decrying racism. The Rape and Justice in Ireland report 2009 , which found that African men were 10 x more likely to rape based on their proportion of the population at the time. That's an absolutely shocking statistic.

    Nobody should ever be targeted because of their skin colour, but statistically they are ones committing the crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why do you think that is? Honest question. All about economics and social status I would imagine.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,514 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The fact that so many asylum seekers are destroying their ID makes it harder for the State to check them against criminal record databases. I cant understand why governments would not want to have such information. It's quite likely some are fugitives from justice in other countries.

    It also makes it harder to check them against mental health databases. The man who stabbed those poor girls and a teacher outside a Dublin school reportedly had a history of mental illness.

    We need a single, consolidated EU and if possible UN database of these things.

    Regarding the controversy around the term "two tier policing", I think the substance of the argument is more important than whether the term is being misused as a political slogan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Do you now want to go back to old fashioned class-based left wing politics?

    Up till now you were still arguing from the perspective of racial-identity politics, white oppressors etc.

    It’s complex question, why African Americans are not succeeding economically in comparison with other group. The huge wealth growth of south east Asian Americans, many of whom whose parents arrived in poverty - does help offer some solutions. E.g. stable family structures, putting a premium on educational attainment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    The police don't arrest people by socioeconomic status: they're supposed to arrest them on reasonable suspicion. There's a difference between racially profiling and there being higher rates of certain categories of people who come to the police's notice.

    Clearly it would be wrong to see all young black men as criminals - that's what happened with Stephen Lawrence. But equally it would be wrong to assume that a Sikh alleging racial abuse by a white boy is the one who is telling the truth. Again that seems to be what the police did: made a generalisation based on the positive image the Sikh community generally enjoys.

    Refusing to act because a student is black - as people who tried to alert to both Valdo Calocane and Axel Rudakabana allege happened when they tried to get the authorities to intervene - because "too many black students are arrested" is also racially profiling. And thus is "two tier policing".

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Economics101


    OK, suppose Black people are stopped 3.8 times as frequently, but (say) only 10% of these generate enough evidence for a charge whereas 20% of White people who are stopped get charged: this is prima facie evidence of biased policing. However suppose the charge rate is the same (10% or whatever) for both groups, this is consistent with unbiased policing. Note that I say it doesn't quite prove anything. I make the point to demonstrate that you have to be careful in making inferences from data.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Obviously a hard question to answer judging from the 3 replies /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    A Romanian shoplifter died in a very similar way not that long ago. These rabid fanatics don't care about that because they couldn't use it to point out how we are all filthy racists. We must ignore all reality and accept our scoldings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Odd when the thread is rage over the death of a White person. Farage just needs to act like a future prime minister not try to emulate the fool Tommy Robinson who will never get elected to anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Vance is only interested in this case because it suits his domestic agenda, like a lot the Trump administration's faux concerns.

    It's a UK matter that only interests me in how it impacts Ireland which it doesn't except indirectly as a talking point for certain types here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭byrne249


    Actually, not getting involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I literally referenced it a few posts back. I think there's a pretty serious issue of security guards using force that they can't safely manage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Rape is an odd example to use since the vast majority go unreported to the Gardaí. That stat could paint a false picture. It could just mean that those raped by black men were more likely to report it to the Gardaí.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭AugustRain


    That’s your only take from this?!? Really? Police arrive at the scene of an alleged crime, and because of how they’ve been trained, immediately proceed based on the skin colour of the individuals present at the scene, the innocent party dies in handcuffs having his right read to him minutes later, and you have nothing to say about that but want farage and Lennon arrested? Are you well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Black people are stopped 3.8 times more than white people because the police suspect them of being criminals more than they suspect white people. It's literal racism.

    So on the Isle of Wight (same Hampshire police force, same data sources, that Guardian article that was posted earlier) where 2.5 whites are arrested for every Asian, are we to assume that the police on the IoW are racist against whites, or is that different because reasons?

    Hampshire Police Stop and Search infographic 2026

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,575 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Post 6 of this very thread, you should try reading from the original post onwards



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,168 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    what's your point? That therefore police should look the other way?

    Police exist to guard against crime and to protect law and order… socioeconomic reality, poverty or disenfranchisement is for the government of the day to tackle via meaningful policy. Police should have a different role in society and shouldn't be dictated by 'movements'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    On this: yes it turns out that he had history of violent and threatening behaviour: there's video footage of him threatening a random driver in a road rage incident, and a guy who was at school with him said he was often violent and brought weapons to school many times. Being a Sikh apparently that's allowed - or at least tolerated because nobody dares query what is a religious right.

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    And yes, his mother has been found guilty of assisting an offender after she attempted to hide the blade used in the attack and will be sentenced on 17 July.

    His brother and father have also been charged with possessing various offensive weapons including an air rifle, an axe an ASP and a kirpan, in a public place.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Bear in mind that there hasn't yet been a coroner's investigation into his death, so I'd be very cautious about taking this claim at face value: he wasn't declared dead until over an hour after the injury, and when the police arrived he was awake and speaking at a normal sound level. It was only after he was moved by the police into what is a very unfavourable position for someone with the kind of injury he had that he started to say he couldn't breathe, and then shortly after that lost consciousness and died.

    I posted a detailed description of all that earlier, and a number of doctors subsequently commented on that thread, with not a single one pointing out mistakes or inconsistencies. So I think it's very likely that the pathologist's report has either been cherry picked by the judge, or (possibly less likely?) the pathologist felt under pressure to conclude that death was unavoidable when in fact it may not have been.

    I expect we'll know more after the coroner's report.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    The Sikhs and those on the left arguing that the knife wasn't a kirpan itself (as it was straight?) and also that since he'd another knife his religious requirement to carry one was met so the exception didn't apply in two ways to the larger knife are idiots.

    All that means is he had an illegal knife, went to work wearing an illegal knife, and walked around town with an illegal knife, all in the open and all without anyone doing anything about it as he was Sikh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Woah there horsey. I asked a question. I wasn't making a point. The GAA poster said that non-whites were statistically more likely to commit crime. I asked why that is and he didn't reply. I didn't even mention the police.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Except there is exactly zero evidence of that being the case. (Way to go to try to blame victims for being a bit racist though. Well done you.)

    But we do actually know quite a lot about those unreported rapes. If they weren't recorded somewhere you wouldn't even be able to make that point. We know that most rapes go unreported because there are non-police reports, from rape crisis and the like, which can be compared to the much lower number that are officially reported to the police.

    But those other reports don't show that sort of racial difference in the profiles of attackers. The main difference in profiles would be whether someone is a victim of stranger rape. or of domestic violence. And clearly DV perpetrators may have a different national/ethnic identity compared to stranger rape - but again I'm not aware of any evidence that foreign men are less violent to their partners than Irish men.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    The numbers are from the rape crisis centre and CSO. They don't ask for details on the rapists ethnicity or nationality. They are anonymous surveys, they wouldn't ask for that info by design to maintain anonymity. Has nothing to do with victim blaming. Something the surveys do ask is for those not reporting what relation the rapist was to them. They tend to know them personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's victim blaming because you're suggesting that if someone is raped by a black person she will be more likely to report it to the police than the same attack by a white man.

    That's a really strange thing to think.

    (The difference between stranger rape and partners/former partners is a different question, as I said. Anyway, given that the vast majority of rapes are not by strangers, then unless foreign men were FAR more likely to commit rape, that could not possibly be the explanation, since most Irish women have Irish partners.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The assumption there by that doctor who was not involved in the post mortem is that a clot would have started to form .

    This unlikely given the type of wound, incision with a knife and the length of time since the injury .

    Think the police are very much wrong in how they handled this but not the cause of death .

    They didn't help .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    "Repeating nonsense does not make it true".

    A bit of self-reflection needed here methinks.



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