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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Not one of the Global Sumud Flotilla activists has publicly confirmed requesting or undergoing a dedicated rape kit or forensic sexual assault examination after their release. Same with alleged injuries - they all seem absolutely fine.

    OTOH, there's remarkably little talk about the 10 flotilla activists who went by the land route, and who are still in Libyan detention without access to medical care or Red Cross or other visits. It's really quite odd how little anyone seems to care about their treatment, which I suspect will turn out to be a LOT harsher than anything the IDF did to those on the boat. Assming they get out alive.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It must be really inconvenient that IDF murdered scores of Israelis on Oct 7th. It makes your argument moot.

    Hamas and the IDF - two cheeks of the same backside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Anyone can invent whatever boogeyman makes them more comfortable justifying a murderous regime.

    But most people just don't like those who kill babies. Simple. No boogeyman, no whataboutery.

    Here's another reason to ban Israel from all worldwide events, including football - especially given that Israel athletes serve as IDF combat troops.

    Funny how they apologise for this but not for shredding 5 year old Hind Rajab with a Merkava Battle Tank. Or the other 20,000 Gazan children.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,743 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    So i take it you disagree with a previous poster on his assertion that we are likely complicit with Russia's war in Ukraine. I presume also all those against virtue signalling over Israel, and possibly risking Irish jobs in the process, feel the same way about about virtue signalling over Russia and potentially putting Irish jobs at risk by doing so. Or is it that virtue signalling is fine, provided it's not aimed at a country that we seek to defend, walshb?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Think the last page or so has shown that anti-boycott posters in here are most definitely not just motivated by Irish football and the supposed potential impacts the games not going ahead would bring.

    Anyway, back to the football, Celtic have decided to stick with Martin O'Neil as manager for at least another year. Robbie Keane was interviewed for the job but celtic supporters groups being strongly against his appointment was apparently a significant factor with the club sticking with O'Neil.

    Article on Keane.

    However, his decision to stay in Israel after the conflict in Gaza began drew criticism in his homeland and has turned a section of the Celtic fanbase against him.

    A statement suggesting the appointment of Keane "would be deeply divisive among the support" was released from a group calling itself Celtic Fans for the Liberation of Palestine and now the North Curve Celtic account on X has published the names of 67 groups to have apparently endorsed the sentiment.

    The list includes the Green Brigade ultras, a selection of podcasts and long-established groups including Glasgow University Celtic Supporters Club and Craigneuk Tommy Gemmell CSC.

    This was the most telling part of the statement, especially the final sentence.

    "For us, Robbie Keane's decision to manage Maccabi Tel Aviv during the genocide in Gaza is impossible to ignore," reads the statement.

    "Celtic was founded by a community shaped by the legacy of genocide, displacement and famine.

    That sentence also serves to explain to many (including some in here) why there is particular support in Ireland for the plight of the Palestinians. That sentence isnt a full explanation, but its a reminder many people who claim to be Irish focused in their thought process may do well to have a think about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Celtic fans are hypocrits.

    They have had half a dozen Israelis in the last 30 years, some ex IDF soldiers. Not a word of protest.

    Of course the same celtic fans are whiter then white. They never sing songs about the Ibrox tragedy. Or aim songs at Former Rangers players and managers after they have died.

    You have no idea what motivates anyone else and you really should stop making statements like they are matter of fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,387 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Shame the statement doesn't mention they will save the FAI if they boycott Israel games however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Can you define the line between being complicit and not?

    Does buying goods and services which benefit Israel economically make one complicit in Genocide?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Folks, the topic is whether or not Ireland should play against Isreal in sporting events. We already have a whole other megathread for the whole Isreal/Palestine issue. Please avoid the temptation to turn this thread into another copy of that one and try to stick to the sporting event topic. If people cannot manage that the thread will be closed.

    -Mod



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The financial impact of a boycott and the loss of income that would follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You have no idea what motivates anyone else and you really should stop making statements like they are matter of fact.

    Lol. You write this, just after writing this.

    Celtic fans are hypocrits.

    And I absolutely have an idea what motivates people when they've been posting their views on this topic across multiple posts on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ah yes, the "Terms and Conditions apply" outcome that you are taking as guaranteed to occur were a boycott to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well if the FAI dont play games, they dont get income. Games = income. Its not a difficult equation to understand.

    Why do the IRFU play Autumn internationals? For income.

    Why do cinemas charge an admission fee for screenings? For income.

    Why do pubs charge for drinks? For income.

    Why do I charge my clients for manual therapy sessions? To pay my mortgage, put food on the table, pay energy bills, give my kids the best start in life as best i can and to enjoy life in general.

    As for "terms and conditions", thats rich coming from you when you were setting terms and conditions a few months ago that i had to agree to in order to post you utter drivel about Ireland v Celtic. You clearly know there is financial implications for the FAI becaue you wouldn't have posted that nonsense otherwise. But to you thats irrelevent because you are isolated away from the consequences in your ivory tower. Total hypocrisy. Your a "do as I say and not as I do" merchant.

    You dismissed numerous statements from FAI CEO Dave Courell out of hand because it doesn't fit withbyour virtue signalling narrative but now your posting statements from Celtic supporters clubs over Robbie Keane. Total hypocrisy from you, yet again.

    Celtic, The great bastion of morals who signed Israelis, some of whom are former IDF soldiers. Thats who you want Ireland to be associated with. Yet you celebrate Septic for not hiring Robbie Keane and want Ireland to boycott football matches with Israel. You literally cannot be taken seriously anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Septic

    Brilliant. Ha Ha Ha.

    You're revealing yourself here. This clearly really has rattled you.

    The rest of your post doesnt bear responding to given its just deflection emotive rhetoric.

    One point though, you shouldn't mention about your profession here. Someone else might mention it to you later and you'll have to report them for posting about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Yet Celtic womens players were happy to play against Israel this week!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Were they? Do you have a source for that? And per IRL v Israel, the match had to go ahead. There was no choice but to play it.

    Certainly, the match was protested at Hampden.

    The players may well have been happy with the result, thumping Israel 6:0 but making baseless assertions that Celtic players were "happy to play" is nonsense - unless you back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well why didn't they boycott the match then, if its as simple as that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    A reply of No substance, as per usual, just deflection from you. you just post false accusations because your hypocrisy has been exposed.

    You are Pro Celtic all of a sudden, who are obviously not opposed to the IDF soldiers therefore you support genocide. The mask has well and truly slipped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Excellent article here.

    Link

    Any financial hit from refusing these games should be manageable. And if it’s not, then government and football stakeholders should say so publicly and help carry it.

    What shouldn’t happen is silence dressed up as responsibility.

    The FAI should have gone to its General Assembly. Put the facts on the table. Explain the possible sanctions. Explain whether it is six points, fines, rankings consequences, or something more severe.

    Let the stakeholders vote. Then follow the result. At least then the decision would belong to Irish football rather than a small group of decision-makers appearing to protect the association from UEFA before listening to their own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You are Pro Celtic all of a sudden, who are obviously not opposed to the IDF soldiers therefore you support genocide.

    Did this make sense in your head, when you wrote it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Not boycotting the match does not equal "they were happy to play". That's a stupid assertion.

    I also see the reports of the strong pushback on appointing Robbie Keane as Celtic manager because of his football management ties to Israel. So clearly the Celtic fans are not minded to support Genocide.

    Just like the Ireland match - there is currently a realisation that the match has to be played - but under duress and protest because FIFA and UEFA are incapable of applying their rules fairly and simply doing the right thing by banning a regime that is even more murderous than Russia.

    By the way, I asked you a question a while back on how much the FAI will lose if/when the IRL v Is match is played at a neutral venue. I note you haven't answered it yet. If the FAI are set to lose valuable income, are you going to protest? Presumably if you don't, that's rather like the phrase you repeat a lot - "virtue signalling from an ivory tower"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The loss of income for the FAI being forced to move the game will be covered by insurance. They presumably cannot claim if they chose to not play though.

    The celtic fanbase had no issues cheering ex IDF soldiers playing for them in the very recent past so the are hypocrites over Robbie Keane.

    I never said the Scotland women "were happy to play". Im asking why they didnt boycott it if "its the right thing to do" where the FAI are concerned, why not the same for the Scottish women?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So you now accept there is financial implications for the FAI?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think we"re seeing a pattern here with the pro-Palestinian posters. They're also into Celtic. It seems like they're into sectarianism.

    What is badly needed in the middle east is a huge dose of secularism, not a continuation of sectarianism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Wait, Irish people support Celtic? Really?

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    This Celtic?

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    Wow, you've just told us something completely surprising that none of us knew…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I never said otherwise.

    What I've said, repeatedly, to you, directly, is that the implications or the extent of them are unknown, not guaranteed and could be potentially overcome.

    You either genuinely don't know understand what is being posted, or are deliberately misrepresenting what it is people are saying. Which is it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




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