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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I’ll agree with everything you said, if I was getting €6.50 I’d be fairly happy with that, but the fear is that I could be taking closer to€5.50



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Stores were too dear last autumn even against the price of beef. Some people seemed to think it could only go 1 way. I sold 2 Lm heifers 390kgs for €2,190.. it was totally understandable.. I am only regretting it didn't sell a few more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭memorystick


    What are those worth today? €1600



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Completely agree with you. I sold a 2 and a bit year old black lmx heifer weighing 600kgs for 2900 and I had another similar heifer around Christmas weighing 500kgs and I held onto her to push her up towards 600kgs over the summer but I'd say I would have got as much for her last Christmas as I will when I sell her now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    anyone see any runners coming out yet? Specifically bulls, Angus and fr



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    As I said that is the gross margin. Costs were around 450 for an animal bought one summer and sold the next summer the time fertlizer hit 800/ ton and rations were 400/ ton when the Ukraine war hit. Ration is a bit over 300/ ton this years and fertlizer was 450-500/ ton last year. Costs will creep up this year although fertiliser was bought before it went through the roof. I expect 400ish for the 12 month animals and 6-650 for the animals there 20-24 months. Those light heifers when bought probably ate 100-120kgs of ration the first year and were on it 6-7 weeks pre slaughter, probably around 250kgs in total. The one bought last summer have eaten 130 ish kgs around 40 euros worth

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    This game is all about keeping your costs down and taking animals to finish. Now and again you can sell as forward stores but gennerally the lads buying a store needs your possibility of a profit for him to make a twist. 6.50 base, creeping up towards 7 leaves a twist for everyone.

    I remember pointing out last year the issue with flat pricing that when it goes ot lrave everyone high and dry. The 8-8.4 flat pricing last year for AA, HE and Continental cattle was a base of 7.8-8.2 euro for AA& HE and 7.70-8.10 for better quality Continental cattle. The expectation that it would keep going drove stores beyond realistic prices. You still see the effect of it in calf and younger cattle prices.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Saying to take everything to slaughter is a bit premature. Remember that the feedlots need forward stores to meet their obligations to whatever baron. My advice is to watch both mart and factory prices closely for 6 or so weeks out from finishing and be ready to move quickly to whichever. There is no room for indecisiveness at present!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If lads stopped supplying forward stores to feedlots the beef barons would have a lot less control. That 20-25% of the market that feedlots supply allows the processors to control the market for long periods of the year.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Sergeant Bilco


    They do and they don't, feedlots get prices we won't but for that the have to guarantee supply, i know one which feeds mainly cows and to keep his price he has to supply 60 cows to one factory each week.

    He is one of the smaller lads



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    No contracts the last few months and I'd be very surprised if any contracts for supply before late November/December.

    The supply is there. Its rare for contracts between July and November the cattle just role in from the grass through agents. It's not possible to make a profit when you are completing with hobby farmers and large sfp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They have to keep them sweet so they will get more than Joe Farmer when cattle are plenty. They are well oiled machines, brewers grain, biscuit seconds etc. They have been known to change factories regularly if they are not happy. If cattle dried up by farmers not supplying them as Bass pointed out then we would be in the driving seat. Factories would buy off them at a loss on occasions but they will milk Joe Farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    All correct

    But still no contracts from July to November



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They miigh have no contracts but they will still get favourable prices anything from 10-30c/ kg better than your or I depending on how tight they are for cattle. No contracts is a two way street you are a free agent you can sell or hold if it suits, more risk but the potential of more reward.

    They are feeding by anything from 70c to a euro plus a day cheaper than your or I. Labour and machinery may be where they are more at risk than us.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    There is feed lots and there is producer groups, similar but different, producer groups can be getting extra 10 to 30 cents when going is good but can be nailed in favour of Joe farmer, so it's not just the feed lots that can be used at empty times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,112 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Local big finisher here, killing near 20k cattle a year now, claims he has been told to keep the sheds full. He went to Kerry last week and brought home 350 store bullocks from 2 marts on top of his normal buying from all the marts around here. He was getting €7 base a few weeks back when us plebs were getting €6.50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If he is supplying 60 cow a week all year around that is 3k cows a year, he is not one of the smaller guys in that case

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭limo_100


    and too keep him paid at 7 we get hammered instead at 6.50 instead of paying 6.80 across the board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,112 ✭✭✭DBK1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    5 to 10 cents more

    Think about 30c more than average joe. 330kgs is €100 a head. Working on 100 cattle a week is 10k extra profit/week or 500k a year extra than you and me. Plus the extra volume. Profit like that would make dairy look a bad option.

    30-50 cents a day cheeper to feed more than wiped out with losses and wages.

    Since money got relatively cheap and easy access Beef has become all about volume and efficiency of labour.

    We are finishing 600@100 a head €60k.

    They are doing 5000@50 a head €250k

    Working on the 30c more you would have my local feedlots on near 1m a year profit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I was going to reply…

    There's a guy who passed away last year from Tipperary and ill tell you there is zero way he'd take nothing like joe farmer in any given month. He had serious credit in the livestock marts too. Larry himself attended his funeral.

    He bought three farms on on the back of abp.

    Come on folks get with the picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭White Clover


    That's not going to happen anytime soon, Bass. Have to play what's in front of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭White Clover


    As others have said, they will be getting more than Joe Farmer even if not a contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    George Chandler's Report on yesterday's Cattle Sale in Kilkenny:

    "Another small sale of cattle in Kilkenny with more interest for light store cattle from buyers who find themselves with surplus grass. Beef cattle in both bullock and heifer rings are most difficult to sell but today trade seemed to steady.

    Cattle bought last year during the sky high prices are losing a lot of money. Many of these buyers may be unable to get involved in purchasing cattle this year and if they do they will be looking for much smaller numbers.

    Beef farmers confidence is very low which is not a good reflection on factories who need a regular supply of cattle."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Very little finished cattle in Gortalea last night only 60 lots of heifers and 60 lots of bullocks. However just glancing prices were about the same as factory price for any finished ones.

    Someone commented that carcasses were 5kgs heavier at present this could change as grass cattle come available especially for any along the west or south west. Cattle going to grasss a month later into heavier covers LW at this stage could be 30-50 lighter.

    Tuesdays DFAM number will be worth a watch

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,826 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    For once in my life I made the right call in the spring and sold all my store cattle and got a ransom for them (2700-2900 for 500-580kg cattle).

    More so as I am not long out of TB so wasn’t taking the risk of grazing for summer than thinking the price was gonna go to shite.

    What do people think the quality weanling bull trade will be this summer? The u grade type LM bull that was hitting 6-7 per kg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If they are export quality they may be ok. Its a ttotally different market. Expect there to be a significant difference this autumn between export quality weanlings and the R grades that will stay in Ireland.

    It came up the discussion one lads keep his bulls to 10-12 months but gets a couple euro a kg less than a lad awlling at 5-8 months at 320-370 kgs. As was point out to him his bulls were too old for the italian market as they could not be killed U16 months.

    So with those quality bulls it depends on whatvthe italian market is paying

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,826 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Mine have the quality, surprisingly they were bought local last year. 400kg ish for 2500-2700 if I recall last summer

    The fella that bought them still has them 6-8 weeks ago…..he would want to be on some contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There was some stupid **** last year. Young cattle that will be killed in this country are still on the expensive side depending on where we finally settle. At present a price rise over the next coupke weeks is as likely as base prices being reduced. I would not be in a hurry for to get a quote early in the week.

    The lad that bought them will be okmif he killed similar to them last year. But they would have wanted to hang 500kgs++ @ nearly 8/kg. Not my game.

    This year he will be paying less for them

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    it’s not stupid for the suckler farmer. You’ve long lambasted the suckler farmer so when we get a good year, then it’s stupid **** in your opinion.

    Everyone will always look out for their own interests and there will always be winners and losers when it encompasses different systems but it doesn’t mean it’s stupid **** if it just happens to favour other systems.



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