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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We've seen from the drones that war forces innovation in order to survive. This spirit extends to energy production. Russia's destruction of Ukraine's old energy infrastructure has led to a veritable boom in localised alternatives out of necessity.

    https://happyeconews.com/ukraines-renewable-energy-rebuild/

    It may not be a complete replacement for centralised energy systems, but it's certainly a welcome layer of resiliency.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I would not be so sure.

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Migration/GlobalCompactMigration/ThePrincipleNon-RefoulementUnderInternationalHumanRightsLaw.pdf

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    It would be difficult to state that conscription is a human rights violation given how many countries, including some of the most progressive European ones, authorise it.

    The actual text of the treaty states “1. No Contracting State shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, member-ship of a particular social group or political opinion.”

    Unless you consider “being a national of the nation” as being a threat (and to be clear, some conscription laws do not require nationality, merely residence), there is nothing in that treaty which covers the problem.

    Also given how much of Ukraine is currently under notable threat, it is also arguable if the Ukrainian national actually requires relocation from Ukraine to receive succour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Pillar or not laws overtime change and this one shouldn't be so black and white. I'd be more concerned by those still in Ukraine defending the homeland. If Ukraine was going to be over run and had no chance I'd not be in favour of sending military aged men back, but Ukraine have every chance.

    Anyway I'm gone on a tangent, the original post was about Poland looking to reduce support for men in this category.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm pretty sure Ukraine admitted the drone in Romania which was cordened off before it exploded was theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    What air defence doing ?

    I know Russia is a big country but can they withstand months of this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭bored65


    Can’t find the article now from last week

    But there are few things at play from what it mentioned

    • Ukrainians have been prioritising air defence targets (long medium range) and drone operators (short range) top of their lists for years now
    • Russians stupidly blew thru their vast Soviet air defence missiles stocks early in war using them up in ground attack mode often against civilians
    • Ukraine flipped the script, “Russia is big” was something they hid behind but is now a huge problem
    • An interesting tidbit that if you shoot down a drone in Russia and it hits a property, you are responsible for damage! Remember they are not at war^TM
    • Russia had a similar bottom up drone industry like Ukrainians but the usual Russian corruption has killed it in its infancy with the innovators being forced to merge into large slow moving enterprises owned by oligarchs where like their military there is no incentive to innovate, they can produce large volumes of drones but often by time they come out they are obsolete
    • This led to Ukrainians having really good interceptor drones and Russia not having them this could take years for them to rectify and copy
    • Also the Russian military bloggers constantly moan that Ukrainians have webs of integrated systems like the acoustic trip wires that guide drone hunting teams and leading to 90% interception rate

    Somewhat related to that the biggest problem Ukraine has are high end Patriot missiles for anti ballistic defence, but even there looks like in few months they will have their own homegrown and exponentially cheaper and numerous alternative in Firepoint

    Now assume Fire Point develops a cheaper, mass-producible alternative at “only” 1 million USD per round. Even with a reduced individual intercept probability of 50 percent, reaching the same 90 percent threshold requires four interceptors at a total cost of 4 million USD, roughly 27 percent of the Patriot package.”


    I suspect this ^ is gonna get along direct European help just like their drone industry precisely because the US is both not capable of mass production and is busy abandoning Europe and lying about contracts, as Trump admin thinks of Russia as better friend than its old allies

    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/06/04/us-germany-tomahawks-missiles-cancel-00950284



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The 15th Naval Arsenal near st petersburg which was used for Baltic Fleet ordnance storage was hit. I can't get a good close up video but there are multiple audible secondary explosions going by the little footage we have. Here's a picture from afar.

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    Some very good hits last night across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭bored65


    Yeh was on bbc news there

    So Zelensky offered an olive branch, Putin turned it down and made look the fool he is again

    meanwhile down in Crimea black market petrol is 3 euro a liter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Great to see putin's efforts to portrait his terrorist state as an economic success continue to be interrupted by his war against Ukraine coming home.

    https://kyivindependent.com/oil-depot-set-ablaze-as-ukraine-reportedly-launches-dozens-of-drones-towards-russia/

    Oil infrastructure 2000km from the front lines also reported to be hit.

    https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3mnm3s52ygc2t

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    That last part - the bit about Ukraine developing a viable alternative to the Patriot system - is going to be part of Trump's legacy.

    Like his Kremlin idol, he burnt through a massive load of expensive missiles during the first month of Operation Epstein Fury, against an enemy that was far more nimble in its response.

    Now he's shown all those Patriot customers that the US cannot be relied upon as a supplier, and left the door open for anyone (i.e. Ukraine) to come in with a better, cheaper, more readily available product.

    If Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries don't need huge dollar revenues to pay for overpriced American weapons, it's yet another reason to hold/invest in other currencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    In a way this is the opposite of the former strengths of the US. In WW2, the US did not necessarily have better kit, but it had a lot more of it. A Tiger tank was far superior to a Sherman tank, but 25 times as many of the latter were made and there was the logistics to supply them with fuel and ammo. Ukrainian drones are in this way of thinking, make more of them and overwhelm the enemy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Trump obviously loves Putin, the same way he loves Xi and Kim. Not to keen on western leaders who aren’t dictators. In another era an American president would have backed Ukraine completely but clearly Trump has been compromised by either Putin or bibi or both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    … and I think that's where both the USofA and the USSR … sorry, I mean Russia … are today: choosing to start unwinnable wars on the basis of past glories. It's really no surprise, when you consider they're two geriatrics (three, if you include Netanyahu) who are demonstrably living in a period of time that the rest of us have long since moved on from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The problem for Russia is that their war in Ukraine is not one of national survival. Fundamentally, this means that its citizens are not going to believe in it as strongly as if it were, no matter how much the truth is censored and open dissent is quashed. If Russia loses the war, it can still continue as a country. If Ukraine loses, it's continuing nationhood is very much in question, and the news leaking out of occupied areas suggests that Russia would be in no mood to allow Ukraine to assert anything like independence ever again, but likely a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing and Russification would ensue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭rayman10


    If Russia lose the war then they are over a barrel surely?

    Putin would be ousted and they would have to take it up the hole from the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,753 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I believe Russia's (mid term) future is pretty much set regardless of what happens in Ukraine and it isn't good. They will be taking it "up the hole" from not from the West but from China and maybe India or other Asian powers in future. That's likely the path they have set themselves on now, unwinding of their economy, deskilling, deindustrialisation, depopulation and providing primary resources to China/Asia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Yeah they will evolve into a wasteland where a lot it is third world standards.

    Ukraine, with the support of others, need to step on the gas now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    WHEN russia lose ,and depending on how their downfall happens it could well be open season on Russian territory, mainly in the east .. and possibly the caucuses..

    But india seems to be sticking with Russia, and the Indians big foe is definitely China , ( and Pakistan but thats another tale ) ,so could try prop them up ..

    But china is definitely expanding its sohere of influence in central asia , pulling the stand away from russia , or at the least giving them an alternative to russia , they may even peel away several eastern russian Republics , maybe not ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin would be in trouble, but that's more a matter of personal survival, not national. Still, with him hopping from bunker to bunker and owning that 2 billion dollar palace, guess which one he probably values more…

    If Russia weren't such a corrupt country, they wouldn't have to 'take it up the hole' from anyone. It's a vast country that's rich in natural resources, but its elites have long been sucking it dry in a way that western corruption barely compares to (currently).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    So how long until we see actual results from Ukraine slowly but surely isolating Crimea ? Also, how would those look ?

    As far as I can see from bloggers and youtube channels like Preston Stewart it looks like Ukraine have near complete control over the main road from Russia to Crimea, the Azov Sea is a no-go area either so that only leaves the Kerch Bridge really.

    There's already widespread proof (from Russians themselves) that the situation in Crimea is worsening with fuel shortages mainly impacting them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Who knows, it could be drip, drip, drip then suddenly💣 there's famine or mass displacement or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I'd rephrase that and say :

    The problem for Russia is that their war in Ukraine wasn't one of national survival … but now it is.

    Unless there's a drastic change in the works, Ukraine will make Crimea a no-go area for the Russians in the near future, and more-than-likely get it removed from direct Russian control in the medium/long term.

    Similarly, when Russia eventually capitulates, it's influence over the satelite republics (Belarus, Georgia, etc) is going to be severely degraded, possibly (hopefully) to the point of those countries wrenching themselves free from Russian influence too.

    And - as others have pointed out - China is already in the process of re-taking the lands it lost in the past through "soft" colonisation, and a good chunk of the adjacent Russian territory as compensation.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised, either, if several frontline oblasts, or those who've had their populations plundered for the meat grinder, decided they'd also prefer to be ruled by NATO-friendly gay westerners than some trigger-happy psychopath sitting in a bunker in Moscow.

    In his quest to restore the Soviet Union, Putin has instead ended up threatening the integrity of the Russian Federation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    China is already busily embedding itself in the occupied territories. Someone should have told Trump when the Russians were offering him riches that the Chinese are already there.

    https://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article78956

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,898 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm not so sure about that. Iran had a ridiculously big arsenal of ballistics and other missiles/drones. A huge number were intercepted in gulf countries by American weapons.

    Without them they were toast. These countries will continue buying a lot of American weapons.

    Here's the satellite images from the Petersburg navy arsenal that was hit. Couldn't get any close up videos but many detonations could be heard and a huge plume of white smoke was visible. Judging by the satellite image it fairly went boom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Yeah - a huge number of Iranian missiles were intercepted by the American gear. But take a step back : they only needed to be intercepted because Trump decided to lick Netayahu's hole and attack Iran for no good reason ; and now that the Gulf States have burnt through their stocks, Trump isn't in a position to replenish them.

    So probably yes, those countries will continue to buy American weapons ; but if you're a sheik looking across the Straits of Hormuz and worried about Iran launching another salvo of missiles, what are you going to do? Wait five years until Trump & Co. have re-stocked the Israeli systems, or buy a load of battlefield-proven, Ukrainian-made, Patriot-compatible missiles ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭bored65


    Noah pointing out the stupidity of letting China who are openly helping Russia dismantle European economies further

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Could be fake news by the Russians but it also wouldn't shock me that it's true so that Ukraine totally cuts off crimea.

    If the Ukrainians do make a concerted effort to bring the bridge down then it's only a matter of time

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