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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The town square comparison for twitter needs to be called out when it is brought up, I don't want to be in a town square after closing time when every drunk is there shouting their opinion at me and when the only toilet is backed up and overflowing. I follow a handful of accounts and some of the brain dead nonsense that seeps through makes my brain bleed.

    Freedom of speech is obviously important, but so is quality of speech. It's wasted on so many people these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yep. And business adoption is what grows a platform. Twitter didn't grow because it was an excellent service. It grew because business and people adopted it.

    Alot of business have migrated over to bsky and including news orgs.

    Australian ABC just closed their Twitter two weeks ago and moved entirely over to bsky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭thenuisance


    I'm on Bluesky but to be honest the move broke my habit - maybe I was going to move off these kind of platforms anyway. I now subscribe (paid) to a couple of 'old media' sources on line and watch a few podcasts (some paid some not), and look at a couple of tech websites where I used to follow their journalists. I do wonder whether Bluesky will end up having difficulty moving on when so much of it's audience is there only because it's like 'old twitter' and will resist any changes away from that model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    This exactly why this scumbag and his site has to be taken to task.

    https://www.ft.com/content/368d0d8d-8d6b-4060-bd7b-17c0034cf174?accessToken=zwAAAZ6PeY1Lkc82jQ2NjWtAYNO9exfAA0zxdA.MEUCIHjxi-d6ybu3OPKkbn7dfMGYQb0xgk3pkv5zfjWEdiEkAiEAsNJysl5ZOQSwVkEHzXv_ij1I6lEKXB29TpubvxZoQj4&segmentId=e95a9ae7-622c-6235-5f87-51e412b47e97&shareId=b1cb096a-e2c9-4d5a-bb12-b36e696f8c83&shareType=enterprise&syn-25a6b1a6=1

    Fine, sanction or ban. The EU and the UK have been withering vines in dealing with the site and it's vast amount of disinformation and political negligence.

    And this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    I doubt that "many Americans" hate the EU because of its approach to regulation when the evidence that the EU is drowning in regulation is laid out very clearly in Mario Draghi's report [1].

    The US economy has grown at twice the rate of the EU over the last couple of decades. So, I think it would be more correct to say they just see it as overly restrictive and bureaucratic, which it is. When I started my career, European tech firms competed and in many cases dominated US firms. It's the other way round now unfortunately, with US tech completely dominating.

    Much of the European approach to tech including AI, is glass half-empty pessimism at best, or outright ideological hostility as evidenced on this thread.

    [1] https://commission.europa.eu/topics/competitiveness/draghi-report_en

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd be at the head of the queue saying the EU has issues over regulation and there's a happy medium that the EU needs to find and quickly. On the other hand the US most certainly does not have anything like a happy medium and in regulations like the environment, health, food, finance and blatant corruption if anything is getting worse.

    However on Twitter it's pretty clear the US Vs the EU and EU/Europe bashing has been pushed hard on that platform by musk and his acolytes for his own ends. It's pretty blatant and what is even more blatant is how nations like China and Russia which are significantly more restrictive with musk's platform never get any criticism from the same crowd. If it's ever addressed the sop for the restricted of thinking is that they "expected more from Europe" which is utter tripe.

    Indeed there are any number of Kremlin spin artists who have to use VPNs to even access the platform that get promoted, yet an increasing number of "normal" accounts are getting banned for "inauthentic behaviour" by his AI bots, never mind the shadow banning and loss of followers reported by many who don't toe the party line. That's before we get to musk et al openly backing anti EU political right wing parties in Europe and the current US admin's stated aim to weaken the EU in its foreign policy.

    Do I think many Americans hate the EU and Europeans? Nope, not even close. I never make the mistake of confusing curated online spaces with real world reality. Put it another way; if I were to judge what Irish people think just going by the posters and trends on X I'd be quite justified in believing a significant majority are right wing blood and soil conspiracy ginger bearded nuts, pining for The Old Days© of Catholic Ireland, who love trump and Russia, hate the EU and want Conor McGregor as our president. AKA utter bollocks. It's one of the reasons I stuck with Following rather than For You on X because the geopolitics end is soured and skewed beyond measure.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Any person off the street complaining about 'regulation' has had their mind coopted by people who don't like regulation because it's costing them money.

    Next to all regulations are built to specifically make you safer, ensure you have rights, ensure you're not being taking advantage of, make your life fairer and give you more access and prospectives.

    Unless you plodder are random Billionaire A you shouldn't be talking about utter gibberish related to how regulations stiffle business. It's quite literally bloody hilarious.

    The US is currently in a pay for play destructive wind down of global proportions with millions of its population living hand to mouth, and you via billionaire propaganda want the EU to emulate that style of operation.

    Hilarious. Go live there , off you toddle see how paradise operates.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The EU is the regulation superpower on Earth and it's mostly for the positive. In areas like food production, health, car and work safety, the environment etc it's the top dog and many other jurisdictions around the world just copypasta our EU regs because they're the best and to save coming up with their own, which would likely end up the same anyway. If they were looking out for their actual people, unlike the US at the moment which seems far more concerned about looking after their current crop of broligarchs.

    Then again that's been a historic trend in the US at times. QV their "Gilded Age". Well named as it was a glossy wafer thin veneer covering up deep cracks beneath. The squillionaires riding roughshod over their people was long in play in The American Dream© and protection for the working man and woman didn't really get legs until the 1930s and gained bit by bit until the Reaganomics era. It's backsliding now.

    That said the EU is constrictive when it comes to fostering startups and innovation and that does need fixing and fast. We're being held back too much imho. Europe has huge potential and isn't quite living up to it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I don't think that has any serious relation to regulations at all if I'm honest.

    The start up issue is a money and taxation issue. The US allows for a playground of money and return with taxation incentives to cater for all of that. It's why money pushes over there.

    Investors can get in and out of startups easier and get earlier returns.

    None of this means loosening our standards though. It does mean cohesive policies on incentives though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I never said "many Americans". The fact that you begin by twisting words strongly suggests that what you're about to say is nonsense.

    And indeed it is. One of the few things that people can agree on is that the initial vote for Trump in 2016 was a vote intended for radical change. Of course, what happened was just that things got worse.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    There is nothing hilarous about the reality of the situation. Two decades ago EU GDP per capita was almost three quarters of that of the US. Now it's barely over half. The only reason millions of people are not following your instruction to 'go to live' there is because they cannot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Nonsense. GDP ? That is not a measure of individual wealth I could show you ample data and research that the wealth devide and share is far less in the EU . But in the US there's is massive wealth inequality. Where much of your 'gdp' wealth is owned and operated in less than 10 percent of the population.

    You'll find the people that 'cant live' there would be poorer over there with access to no social supports that's the gas. And a reality theyre clueless about. Head in the clouds stuff.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    GDP per capita is rather meaningless when it can be so easily skewed by a few billionaires.

    Meanwhile people go bankrupt in the US over healthcare, the place incarcerates more of its population than anywhere else and mainstream politicians defend school shootings. I see nothing to envy in the place, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Here's some reality that you are clueless about: not only is EU GDP per capita much lower than that of the US and falling, it's lower than that of the poorest state in the US. The average person in Mississipi - a byword for poverty - is generating more economic output than the average EU citizen.

    You claimed that the idea that regulations stifle business is gibberish, and that the effects of regulation are always positive unless you're a billionare. You are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The EU per capita also includes that of numerous states that were effectively under Soviet occupation and the EU has taken on large costs in trying to bring them up to Western European standards.
    The poorest states in the US are those suffering long term consequences of state sanctioned racism within the US itself.

    Try some reality yourself.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It is gibberish.

    I eagerly await evidence that Mississippi is richer than the whole EU.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The claim was that the GDP per capita of Mississippi ($53,061 in 2024) is higher than that of the EU ($43,305 in 2024).

    Read more. Post less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    How much of that is based on data centers/future laser tag destinations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Once again you appear abundantly unaware of GDP being a measure in any appropriate way of wealth or access to wealth or capability of spend of any single individual in any economy anywhere on earth.

    Its a functionally unrepresentative metric of any of those things.

    Read more, post less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think you need to take your own advice. This is what you wrote:

    not only is EU GDP per capita much lower than that of the US and falling, it's lower than that of the poorest state in the US.

    While you're at it, why not provide some data with actual meaning such as quality of life and purchasing power.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    2 thirds of bankruptcies in the US are because people end up in debt because of healthcare. What a society to aspire to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    In an age where the richest ten Americans are wealthier than the bottom 165 million, per capita figures are kind of meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw this recently where it compared the US to the UK on a variety of different metrics, and where the UK would rank if it was a US State. In terms of GDP per capita, it came 51st. In almost everything else, it was 1st or at least in the top ten.

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    As per the bottom of the image; GDP per capita measures the size of an economy (and given how capitalist the US is, it's no surprise how it swings so heavily in that direction). The other items listed measure the quality of a life.

    And that's just the UK, post-Brexit. Many EU countries would probably rank even higher in most items if they were included.

    But Musk is on track to become the world's first trillionaire, so who cares about the effect of the economy on other people…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Always find it a bit gas when some random Joe on the web starts pissing and moaning about regulation as if the very word is a bad thing.

    As you say, regulations are put into effect to protect the little guy and in general they are one of the safeguards against the powerful taking that absolute piss.

    Now, in saying that, sometimes EU regulation can get my goat. I can't import modelling spray paint any more because there's a 0.0005% chance that a compressed can of paint might blow at 35,000ft. First world problems I know.

    But OTOH, there's regulations that protect my food, my data and even my life in many cases.

    But yeah, regulations stifle business. FFS

    SMH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    GDP means fuck all when you have to work two jobs just to pay your rent, get just 10 days off work a year and can't afford to go to a hospital when your health is in danger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was invented for an earlier age and a different type of economy. I think it still has some value but should be treated with some secpticism, particularly when we're supposed to believe that some red state sh*thole in the southern US is better than anywhere in Europe.

    On any metric that matters, Europe is miles ahead of the US for people who actually have to work for a living.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,968 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Love it when people blame the EU for ICAO or other international body regulations…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That "wealthiest EU country would be at the bottom if it were a US state" meme is common and endlessly quoted/reposted on X. Usually including the term "Europoors" and usually cheerleaded by the deficit of critical thinking. It's been a very obvious trend on that platform for the last few months(I'd flag Davos as the kick off) and for pretty obvious reasons fueling a particular narrative.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It has a bit of a basis in tradition. Historically, Europeans emigrated en masse to the US for opportunity. The population went from a few million in 1800 to over 75 million in 1900. They often brought their savings and were particularly entrepreneurial and/or hard working. Coupled with that were relatively strong institutions designed to ensure law and order along with rewarding innovation.

    After the war, people were still going over. Then Europe caught up. The Coal and Steel Community which would become the EEC and eventually the EU was founded and Europeans never had it better. One could still go to the US to "make it" but that because less and less applicable to more and more people when Europe was offering similar levels of opportunity.

    I think the turning point against the American model was Reaganism and the rise of the modern right. They turned against the new and the innovative in favour of protecting oligarchs and incumbents. The idea of the free market is that a new product or service with disrupt the market and either topple the incumbent(/s) or force them to adapt. In today's America, this is less and less likely. Antitrust has been pummeled and the big tech firms are now global titans who can either buy out challengers or kill them with lawsuits.

    Today's Ireland has its problems but it's realistically never been better in so many ways to be someone living in Ireland. One can enjoy generous annual leave, reasonable workers' rights, solid democratic institutions and never have to worry about going bankrupt over a hospital bill. I just see nothing to envy in the US, except for some of their countryside of course but we've plenty of that as well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    Oh my mistake!

    I used quotation marks suggesting you said "many Americans" when in fact you said "They hate the EU" where they referred to "too many Americans" said by someone else. 🙂 Please read the post again without the quotes ..

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