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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Correct - the "Iranian Regime" would be a better descriptor.

    I've not met any Iranians but all who have consider them very personable. I've met many Jewish Israelis who were very personable. Only a handful were "objectionable". Arab Israelis I met (not many) were very personable. The one Gazan I met, an older man, was a gentleman.

    I do know that many Americans in Israel found the Israelis to be "very aggressive". I would have said "very direct".

    Certainly, mandatory IDF service, particularly in combat units, seems to bring out the worst in people.

    But then, looking at recent news (last 2 or 3 weeks) there's are clear signs that Israeli society is "stressed". Not surprising given international events plus the world media attention, but also local political events (moves to dissolve the Knesset early, Ben-Gvir's flotilla stunt, possibly more icc arrest warrants, ultra orthodox refusing to serve and those who serve refusing to serve with women). Violent deaths (crime based) are through the roof in Arab-Israeli communities and the Settler thugs are looting, burning, attacking and killing unfettered and even with IDF support and assistance.

    They'll be eating themselves soon if this carries on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So firstly I think the US attack on Iran was an incredible act of stupidity and is in no way beneficial. The Iranian people, I have absolutely no issue with and even have some reasonably close connections to Iran in my family. Now the regime are varying degrees of extremists, I'd suspect the US has made it worse but your sugarcoating and propaganda really isn't helping any discussion. It's painfully deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭engineerws


    i said do you have evidence he altered video and tried to frame Kerry. Nothing forthcoming.

    Johnson's a political commentator and gets things wrong like lots of media organisations, weapons of mass destruction? 40 beheaded babies?

    I find him interesting but don't seem to know as much as you about him. People said who is he? I posted the Wikipedia article.

    So to summarize, I never implied he was credible. I said it was interesting. You're upset because you've accused me of things I didn't do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nope, no evidence. He did falsely accuse a person of rape so he's not great in terms of judging credible information though. Most people don't get it wrong in that way.... Now I'll leave you off to your poorly sourced info.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    They're doing surprisingly well. They killed a lot of Israelis on 7/Oct/23 and since then - the Western Left have largely taken up the mantle of de-legitimising and isolating the country on the Ayatollahs' behalf.

    I mean, you claim it is "irrelevant" and "hyperbole" but you haven't explained how. None of Israel's critics here for example, have explained why any sane government of Israel would allow a potential enemy to have a strategic highland overlooking Tel-Aviv, among other things.

    As to who should be punished for breaking laws, what I said previously was that anyone in the IDF who committed a crime for no military reason (e.g. murdering a civilian for no reason whatsoever) should be punished, ideally by IDF/Israel itself). Likewise, I have no time for evil ****s who do stuff like anally raping prisoners with iron bars or knives or whatever. I have no interest in defending that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Israel take land claiming it as a defensive buffer, then go ahead and settle it. A country that is expanding into other country's territory is not interested in peace.

    I think it is extremely simplistic to claim the Western Left is the only critic of Israel. Alot of the Right is also getting tired of their continued aggression and dont want to defend it or pay for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The general villification of the Iranian regime is more than justified, it isn't "may very well be". Their human rights record has been criticised for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Iran and its proxies are committing despicable war crimes even as we discuss this. Hezbollah attacking UNIFIL peacekeepers, Iran closing the Straits of Hormuz etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Johndoe2025, do you agree with the above that both deserve villification. Do you hold both Iran and Israel accountable for their actions? As i recall previously you'd tried to excuse Israel's actions in Gaza on the basis that "Hamas started it", but you didn't seek to excuse Iran's actions in the current war on the same basis that America and Israel started the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There are posters here with a lot more in depth knowledge than me. I'll let them be the judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Where did I excuse Israel's actions anywhere?

    The Iranian regime must be viewed not only in the context of Iran, but in the context of its terrorist proxies who have been destabilising the Middle East for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What war crimes is Iran committing?

    As far as I can see it's only the US and Israel that are committing war crimes. But I'd be interested to see your sources on the Iranian war crimes.

    And which UNIFIL peacekeepers did Hezbollah attack? There is one current investigation underway but I don't believe it is completed.

    But we do know Israel has been found to have attacked UNIFIL peace keepers in recent months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well posting it numerous times doesn't make it's suddenly relevant. Israel has around 150- 200 nukes, that's its ultimate security guarantee. If Israel didn't have this advantage or the previous advantages i mentioned, your existential concerns might well be valid. In any case such concerns cannot be used as an excuse to violate international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The list of Iranian war crimes is long and detailed. Attacks on civilian shipping, attacks on civilian airports, mining of civilian waters, attacks on non-combatants etc. Their crimes against humanity include massacres of their own citizens.

    Hezbollah have killed more UNIFIL peacekeepers than any other group, even before their latest atrocity.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-recruitment-of-child-soldiers-as-young-as-12-amounts-to-a-war-crime/

    If you don't believe me about Iranian war crimes, believe Amnesty International. Now, if an IDF member shot dead one of these child soldiers, you would be screaming about Israeli war crimes even though the war crime is Iran's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You stated it a few weeks back when you were asked about Israel's actions in Gaza you deflected to Hamas started the war. Both Israel and Iran have supported proxies in the region. Both Iran and Israel should be held to account for their actions in the region



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Of course, both Israel and Iran should be held to account, but there is no doubt that over the last decade, Iran has been the main bad actor and the leading protagonist of instability in the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I never said I didn't believe you. But there's plenty of people posting unsubstantiated claims here that turn out to be false.

    Corroborated sources (like your amnesty source) at least means the discussion can be based on facts rather than opinions.

    Your list of supposed Iranian war crimes (without sources, I'll call them that for now) look suspiciously like the same actions both Israel and the US have taken recently too (possibly bar the laying of sea mines).

    As far as I know there are no ground based IDF troops in Iran so it's unlikely they'll be sniping kids as per usual - child soldiers or no. So that's pure speculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel is of course funding and supplying proxies in Gaza. Possibly syria too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Both have been bad actors by pursuing policies that have caused instability in that region. Israel more so internally(the west bank), but not exclusively. Regarding the latter, an ex mossad boss made an extraordinary admission in a tv interview about how Israel aided sunni terrorists to destabilise other countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It is also a fact that nobody from Israel has been convicted of genocide in the ICC, does that mean you believe there isn't a genocide because it hasn't been proven?

    If you are basing your defence of Iran on opinions rather than facts, applying your logic to Israel means there is no genocide. Of course, it is possible that you have two differing standards that you apply, one to Israel because of a singular obsessive hatred and another for everyone else.

    Even in your own post, you casually state that Israel snipes kids as per usual, and, again, I have seen no consistent court finding that that is the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I had forgotten about their proxies in Gaza. Bibi openly boasted about it- but then he has previous with that kind of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You're waiting for a court case? What a BS excuse that is. They wont even let in the foreign press and target Gazan journalists and you expect a court case with IDF soldiers!!? It's actually beyond belief how thick your blinkers are. Do you not trust volunteer foreign doctors? The mental gymnastics you must go through to validate this….wow.

    Try this article (Dont expect you to read it)

    ‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

    Nine doctors gave the Guardian accounts of working in Gaza hospitals this year, all but one of them foreign volunteers.

    But doctors also reported treating a steady stream of children, elderly people and others who were clearly not combatants with single bullet wounds to the head or chest.

    Some of the physicians said that the types and locations of the wounds, and accounts of Palestinians who brought children to the hospital, led them to believe the victims were directly targeted by Israeli troops.

    Other doctors said they did not know the circumstances of the shootings but that they were deeply troubled by the number of children who were severely wounded or killed by single gunshots, sometimes by high-calibre bullets causing extensive damage to young bodies.

    “I did more trauma procedures on paediatric patients in the three weeks that I was at Nasser than I did in the 10 years that I’ve been practising in the US,” he said.

    The doctor said he treated five children he believes were shot by snipers because the placing of the bullets suggested they were not hit randomly but targeted.

    “They were mostly shot in the thorax, the chest area, some in the abdomen. There was one boy shot in the face. As a result he had a shattered jaw. There were two children who had been shot in the chest, young, under the age of 10, who did not survive. Two others, one shot in the abdomen, did survive. They were still recovering in the hospital when I left,” he said.

    Ahmad noted the children were often shot by “one large-calibre bullet” which could produce devastating wounds.

    Only muslims.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I never said I was waiting for a court case, I just said I hadn't seen them.

    I was pointing out the double standards on display from another poster who daily accuses Israel of some new atrocity without proof and without investigation, but wants concrete investigations and findings before accusing Iran of anything. Within the same post, the poster demands corroborated sources for all of Iran's numerous war crimes while casually stating that it is usual practice for IDF to snipe at children.

    That is double standards, calling it out for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ok I am going to make this very simple because I know you are a slippery eel and very prone to bad faith posting.

    Do you think the IDF snipers deliberately targetted children? Yes or No?

    Another article might help:

    Teenagers being shot by Israeli soldiers – British surgeon in Gaza – Channel 4 News

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    (1) We have evidence that Hamas and other Iranian proxies recruit child soldiers.

    (2) We have evidence that teenagers have been deliberately targetted and shot by Israeli soldiers.

    (1) is definitely a war crime, (2) is also generally a war crime but there are exceptions if it is related to (1). If a child soldier is holding a weapon, they are a combatant.

    https://www.ejiltalk.org/targeting-child-soldiers/

    "According to the ICRC Interpretive Guidance on Direct Participation in Hostilities, individuals who can be said to have a “continuous combat function” are not civilians in non-international armed conflict, and can therefore be targeted. There is nothing in the Interpretive Guidance that suggests that children cannot have a continuing combat function and, as a result, be combatants."

    Also notable that in recruiting child soldiers, Hamas are committing war crimes against their own people, a level worse than other war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Baby steps John (without AI please). Let's start with what you think - then we will address the why and analyse your justifications for it.

    Again I am looking for your opinion - Q1. DO YOU THINK the IDF snipers deliberately targetted children? Yes or No?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I didn't use AI, I don't use AI at all. You should be better than that.

    You should also read my post where I have been clear that there is evidence that teenagers have been deliberately targetted and shot by IDF soldiers.

    The reductive nature of your questioning is not indicative of an openness to discussion of the issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As I said, I want to know what you think before tackling your justifications for it.

    Again I am looking for your opinion - Q1. DO YOU THINK the IDF snipers deliberately targetted children? Yes or No?

    One word answer and then we can discuss the justifications. I do have questions around how the IDF knew they were all child soldiers but I have patience...That didn't come across in the articles I posted which you probably didn't read. We shall come back to that.

    (4th attempt at a very simple question)

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I have told you that there is evidence that teenagers have been deliberately targetted and shot by IDF soldiers. I don't have any reason at the moment to doubt that evidence. There is evidence that Hamas have recruited child soldiers, making those children combatants and I don't have any reason at the moment to doubt that evidence either.



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