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New gov scrappage grant of 8500

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭josip


    My reading of that sentence is that the NCT cannot be valid 🙂

    The NCT must have expired in the past 6 months.

    Obviously not their intention and there may be other sentences that allow for valid NCTs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Because the dealer can charge full price and not offer you a discount like they normally do. It's a win win for them , not you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    The wet room accessible bathrooms grants were another coin earner. You had to use a grant approved €120 gully and a €20 gully did the same. People paid up to €15k for grant jobs and we were doing private jobs for €5k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SteM


    Were they grants available to everyone or to a very specific subset of the general public?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Incredible. I wonder who funds all the buses in Dublin that whizz past every 10 minutes. Not to mention the Luas etc. Streetlights every 100m in case you’re afraid of the dark. All aided by the taxpayer no matter where you live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If it's there in the rules , I'm not seeing it.

    image.png

    Also, they said the CSO def of urban/rural will be used and their link to the CSO contains this map

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/0a03e35f72cb49a1a00714211134995a



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Pat734


    I know scrappage is mentioned in the above but, can dealers sell on some of the roadworthy trade inns, are they allowed?



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    No, they have to be scrapped.

    They'll be sent off to be processed by a scrappage facility and presumably the Department of Transport will be expecting to receive a destruction cert within a reasonable time for any car where the grant was paid out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭wassie


    Your not comparing apples with apples. Your energy upgrade forced you to use a restricted pool of accredited contractors with an amount of administrative processes. The scrappage scheme is very straight forward and you can go to any car dealer you like.

    EV grants have always been around, so are you saying EV prices are artificially higher as a result? The sub €50,000 EV new car market is the most competitive.

    @Oscar_Madison posted above explains why car prices wont go up.

    "…the good thing about this grant is that every individual user of the grant decides what EV they will buy- there’s no logical way dealers can up prices- they’ll just lose out to the competition of that car model - best they can do is market their cars quickly and try and get the biggest slice of these grant recipients that they can."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    The tiniest bit of research and shopping around stops that instantly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Apparently there are about 400,000 cars in Ireland on the road that are 13 years old or older.

    So there should be plenty of uptake on this scheme you'd think.

    Thats a lot of old, heavily polluting in the case of the diesels especially, cars that could do with being taken off the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    Because unfortunately, climate denial isn't banworthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd say it's in recognition that somebody might have an NCT failure and decide on that basis to upgrade their car rather than repair it and send it through the NCT, only for it to be scrapped a few weeks later. And also to take account of perhaps having to wait up to 6 months for a new car from a dealer

    Sounds like a lot in fairness and we will be looking for just 2,000 of them to be interested which isn't a whole lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Lord Baron Lane 8


    Eanon Ryan comes to mind when I think about EV Cars its a big No from Me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Which is ironic as the guy is anti car no matter the drive train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    You said the car needs a valid NCT. That image clearly disagrees with what you said. The NCT can be expired by 6 months



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,533 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    He said either/or…and was correct. Read back on the posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    You'd imagine limiting the grant to €10m will cause issues for dealers when the car is ordered but the buyer doesn't get the grant. What happens to all these new EVs if the buyer reneges on the deal without the grant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    A non refundable deposit upon ordering the vehicle solves that one. Surely the dealer will check or advise the potential customer what is required to qualify and push through the paperwork quickly to secure the grant for the customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭crusd


    The scrappage grant for EVs actually has a negative impact on overall emmisions, if you are using it to replace a car that is in good condidtion. The carbon cost associated with manufacturing an EV, plus the approx 50% of electricity supplies not coming from renewable sources, puts the overall carbon footprint higher than continuing to use the old vehicle. And in fact, the benefit is completely lost if the old car is sold on, becasue not only do you have the carbon cost associated weith the new EV, you also have the old car still on the road. While the grant says "kk to permenantly dispose of the old vehicle", there is nothing to prevent a scrappage yard from subsequently selling it on I would imagine.

    But even ignoring the fact that the old car may remain on the road, spread over 5 years the total carbon emmsionos of a 2l diesal over 5 years, based on 15000km per year is approx 12tons CO2, while for an average EV, factoring in the carbon cost of manufacture, its about 19tons based on 50% renewable electricity. This changes to 10tons at 100% renewable, so really only makes enviromental sense for those who can provide their own source of renwewable energy.

    From an enviromental standpoint, the best course of action is to continue using your old, fossil fuel vehicle, which as new manufacturing carbon cost, until it can no longer run, and at that point replace it with an EV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    It may pull a lot of old Micra, Yaris, Fiesta, Corsa et al models off the road that are still being used to potter around the place but for those who need 7 seats and do long distance regularly, it will be a big ask to pull them into an EV.

    Our situation is a perfect example of this.

    Rural dweller.

    Have a 2008 petrol Fiesta as a runaround and a 2016 Diesel 7 seater as the main car.

    The Fiesta does about 3,000 KM a year, the 7 seater about 10 times that.

    It's the 7 seater that's doing all the heavy lifting and long drives, and it's the one that's showing it's age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    The more I think about this its not as generous as it sounds

    8500 is the headline figure, 3500 of this already exists whether you are trading in anything or not, so it is a 5000 scheme not a 8500 scheme

    Of that 5000 the car being scrapped is worth something, might not be 5000 but it might be worth 3000...in this case the benefit to the person buying is only 2000. Someone with a car worth 500 is doing better.

    One benefit I can think of is having a fixed value of 5000 being put on your car and no haggling, low balling etc

    However i still hope it is a success but it is no game changer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,007 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't think people understand that the reason for the amount of older cars on the road is the cost involved in buying a newer car. Some people simply don't have the money and put it off until they absolutely have to change car - and this is usually the most efficient way to do things, a lot of these people tend not to want to spend too much on a car and you'll find that only a small subset of these car owners will be able to pony up for a suitable EV (for their needs) even with 8.5K of a grant. A lot of these people don't have the means to get some type of Finance either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Yes, it’s probably not deserving of all the recent media coverage and trumpet blowing we’re currently seeing. It’ll help to move a few folks that are on the fence already to go for a new EV rather than another ICE, PHEV or even a used EV.
    For the majority of drivers running an old large diesel doing high mileage they’ll be little uptake I suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yep, all this scheme will do is reward already wealthy buyers who have the means to pay the significant difference between this grant and a new EV.

    People driving "old" cars do so generally because they can't afford a new one, or even a newer one - or they see the car as an appliance and only change it when it's really broken, and then for whatever is cheap too.

    If it was actually about getting old cars off the road, used EVs would be included (but then the perception is that not many want those either because of battery ranges, warranty etc). All this will do is prop up the "industry" - sales must be topping out.

    Take myself as an example..

    I drive a 14 year old diesel Audi. Close enough to 240k km on it now but still working perfectly and in great condition as I look after it. It's also a high spec 3.0 TDI model. I paid 18k 5 years ago for it.

    Not a chance would I be able to get something equivalent for less than what.. 50/60k upwards? I don't think so!

    Will keep driving it and when it eventually dies, I'll replace it with a newer one. Probably a Q7 next time. Q8 is nice too but ridiculously expensive as well! Even a 2019 VW Touareg (as an alternative to the Audi) is expensive!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I guess this is why the grant cap is being dropped from 60k down to 50k. So it isn't seen to be rewarding the wealthy. As Wassie correctly says this is to promote small and medium EVs.

    It's totally fine for you to keep your motor for many years to come. This isn't compulsory for everyone with a qualifying car, but some other posts not yours are written like it is.



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