Henry Nowak - I can’t breathe

This should result in reform of the police but inciting violence is not showing spine. Who do you want the violence incited against?

I don't think this is a "simple case of police negligence".

If the police were negligent it wasn't a mistake, it was deliberate. A deliberate decision not to believe the victim, a deliberate decision to cuff him and say "I don't think so mate" while the victim gurgled on his own blood. A deliberate decision not to check him for any wounds. And why is this ? Why not believe Henry, why give the assailant the benefit of the doubt? What are these police being told to do in their training?

This is one of the most chilling and upsetting things I've ever seen. Apart from 1988 during the troubles in the North when 2 British soldiers drove accidentally into a funeral crowd and their car was set upon, they were dragged out, stripped and brutally murdered by a baying crowd. That image has stayed with me ever since 1988.

So will this image of a dying young white British man called Henry being handcuffed by 2 white British policemen while his Sikh killer who stabbed him 5 times was listened to and believed. We are a changed world and there will be more of this to come. If our own police don't protect us and migration is allowed to continue unchecked and unlimited, there are dark days ahead for all of us and for our children.

British police training explicitly says NOT to treat differently communities “equally”.

So what happened looks like following through on that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c392gj41pgpo

Farage and his mate Yaxley-Lennon incited the mob

Farage who only turned up to his job in months to rage bait and Lennon who seems confused about his name. Medal indeed for that pair!

C'mon now. Are you really surprised at that?

so based on this you must agree that numerous British politicians incited the mob around the time of George Floyds murder and caused them to do damage property and injure people?

You know that they said even more forceful things than Farage around the time of Floyds murder.

The video shows the female officer saying well we have to check seconds later.

Its about police being hostile to people.

Same type of rhetoric it just happens to be rhetoric you agree with so as a result you don't mind it.

BTW I don't blame either Khan or Mahmood for any violence around George Floyd protest that they were in favour of as people are responsible for their own actions as they are when they protest about this murder and mishandling by police.

Loads of violence around protests about George Floyd that were encouraged by numerous politicians around the world if Farage is supposedly responsible for any violence associated with the Henry Nowak protests then so many other politicians arround the world are responsible for the violence and destruction associated with the George Floyd protests.

Except the recording of the dicsussion shows that the reason they DIDN'T check properly was because they believed the claim that Nowak the attacker. If that's just negligence, that's a lot of neglient police officers for a single call out - 100% in fact, and questions about their training need to be asked.

There's a different question too, which is not about the police, but is indeed about society: given there is a knife ban, why is one category of males given an exemption with no checks on whether the individual concerned is safe to have knives?

Since the Sikh community seem to take no responsibility when someone carrying a Sikh weapon proves himself to be unstable and possibly dangerous, I don't see how they can justify why their community should have this exemption at all?

I suspect this is just the old habit of the authorities closing ranks though. It's not at all clear that he couldn't have been saved at any point after the stabbing - in fact there's a doctor who posted an analysis of the video and the autopsy results who suggests that it was the police pulling him out and wrenching his arms behind his back to cuff him that may have torn open the injury that then caused him die very soon after.

"If the police hadn't touched him, had let him sit leaning against the wall, and called an ambulance, then in my opinion Henry Nowak would have survived (...) He would have been saved in the hospital" - stated @DrMagier , a Polish specialist doctor working in a British hospital.

Dr. Krzysztof Magier, a pediatrician and former honorary consul of the Republic of Poland in Cowes, analyzed footage from a police body camera showing Henry Nowak's death.
Dr. Magier heads the pediatric intensive care unit, with experience in combat medicine training and a specialized course in treating severe injuries (including gunshot and stab wounds).
He disagrees with the pathologist's and judge's opinion that Henry Nowak had no chance of survival and that handcuffing him essentially changed nothing. On the contrary—there is a high likelihood that the police intervention contributed to his death.
He analyzed the autopsy report, which points to damage to the subclavian vein as the main source of bleeding, and explains where the problem lies.
In a healthy person, venous bleeding occurs under low pressure and often self-limits thanks to the naturally forming clot, while simply approximating the wound edges and compressing the surrounding tissues closes the vein enough to slow or even stop the bleeding.
The body camera footage shows that when police arrived on the scene (likely 5-10 minutes after the injury), Henry was conscious enough to speak quite loudly. He was therefore not yet in a terminal state. After his arms were twisted behind his back and handcuffed, the vein was most likely stretched, the clot torn, and bleeding dramatically intensified. Within just about three minutes, he lost consciousness and died.
People with suspected internal injuries should never be moved or yanked abruptly—such actions can destroy the natural clot and lead to massive internal hemorrhage.
Instead of immediately calling a medical rescue team and handing the patient over to paramedics, the police handcuffed him. If paramedics had arrived first on the scene, Henry’s chances of survival would have been much higher. "50%"—writes Dr. Magier.
Paramedics could have quickly started an IV, administered fluids to increase circulating blood volume, and tranexamic acid to stabilize the clot, and if needed, performed needle decompression (inserting a large, long needle into the lung), because the issue wasn’t so much lack of lung function, but compression of the blood-filled lung on the heart and mediastinum, which blocks circulation.
Worse still, the incident took place just a few minutes' drive by car (2–3 minutes by ambulance with sirens) from Southampton University Hospital—a regional Major Trauma Centre equipped with a full team of specialists, procedures, and equipment. "I am convinced that if Henry had arrived there alive, the doctors would not have let him die"—writes Dr. Magier.
In summary: the aggressive police intervention, instead of saving a life, led to death through improper handling of a severely injured person, even though world-class care was just minutes away. "I fear the Judge and pathologist were too lenient toward the police"—writes Dr. Magier

SO the question is why they reacted like that. It's hard to avoid the suspicion that the word "racist" may have triggered a Pavlovian response in them, thanks to their "antiracism" training.

Presumably this exemption has been accorded because it felt important to the particular community and ,till now there has been no pushback from society against it.

I assume there have been,till now no (or very few) instances of the prvilege having been abused

I think it was not the ceremonial knife that was used in this case (although I am not clear on this) As they say ,if it is not broken,don't fix it.

If this is a case of white or cultural supremacy grievance using this case to further its agenda then excuse me while I vomit.

Even so ,once the genie is out of the bottle and people learn that this is a privilege that can be "profitably"abused (in the same way that "I can't breathe" seems to have become so that those who genuinely cannot breathe are now disbelieved ) it may well be that the privilege may have to be looked at again for the greater good.

It is a good thing that we don't all look the same

I can think of societies where uniformity of appearance and behaviour is enforced...

Religions are so powerful because they have so many adherents as well as the weight of history.

Those who object to their privileges have to assert this and recognize that changes take a long time to have effect.

There is no point in putting( your) words in my mouth.

I am not sure if anyone has ever suggested the Sikh community should internally police the carrying of ceremonial knives .The laws of the land should be adequate if it is thought necessary.

I imagine these considerations are coming to the fore now.

Is this the first time in Britain that anything quite like this has occurred?

As opposed to the local MP where Henry Nowak died who has posted about BLM but not about Henry Nowak?

Or another Sikh public figure, Narinder Kaur, who posted this about George Floyd?

Why is it perfectly acceptable to politicise the death of George Floyd, but wrong to even suggest that maybe there was a political element to the events that led to the death of Henry Nowak?

My point is that it's reckless to assume that any given category of (especially) males but to some extent any adults at all) is inherently safe. The ban on knives exists, and "But we don't like it applying to us" exemptions for a whole category is what should require proof, not the other way around.

As a member of the category of humans that is many times more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator of one, I'm not allowed to even carry pepper spray, never mind a knife or a gun. Because the law applies to everyone, even women who, in practice, don't go round attacking random people in the street.

So why, exactly, should Sikhs get an exemption? If it's because they're not dangerous, well nor are women. If it's because we're afraid to annoy them - well that's actually a reason to make sure they aren't armed.

And yes I am suggesting internal policing. Why not? If it were genuinely important for Sikhs to carry functioning knives (though it actually isn't, since they choose to live in countries where they can't do that) then a possible solution would be for them to take the responsibility for ensuring that only men whose mental health and stability was known would carry one. I mean, obviously the cops could do it, like having a gun licence, but I'd have thought it would be more effective and less offensive to them for them to do it themselves.

But as I say, the fact that Sikhs don't all self exclude from Denmark, Italy or the UAE proves that this is a false problem.

However if your solution is to remove the exemption altogether, I don't have a problem with that. But you seemed to be arguing against that above.