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New gov scrappage grant of 8500

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,033 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The id3 gtx is very well priced in ireland. Will be a bargain with an additional 5k off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    The diesel is being hammered with VRT. It’s the same with the likes of the Q7, XC90 etc it’s all PHEVs being sold as they are vastly cheaper than the diesel (not even sure Volvo still sell a diesel one).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭jlang


    https://stats.simi.ie/ says no PHEVs registered in 2013 in Ireland, 35 in 2014 and 117 in 2015. So none likely to matter for this round of the scheme.

    There were several non plug in hybrids through this period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭GPoint


    Government tweaked their VRT bands in favour of EVs and punitive for Diesels but also anything slightly performant petrol. Look at the Skoda Octavia VRS or Toyota GR Yaris . The prices are insane!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yeah I agree - the good thing about this grant is that every individual user of the grant decides what EV they will buy- there’s no logical way dealers can up prices- they’ll just lose out to the competition of that car model - best they can do is market their cars quickly and try and get the biggest slice of these grant recipients that they can. Given 70% of grant recipients will be outside of major cities, they need to choose the car benefits to push, carefully -personally I can see “range” and “length of guarantee” as key benefits for those seeking a car that will do larger than normal milage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Because most diesel cars have been discontinued or are practically impossible to buy due to VRT so drivers are being forced into PHEV's which they don't want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Director in work has X5 50e phev, it was 100k before extras where the diesel was 140k

    Crucially as well it costs half of the diesel in BIK for him, both due to lower value and sitting in much more favourable band.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Funnily enough VRT is actually a good bit lower on diesels then it is on petrols since they produce a lot less Co2. Used diesels get hit with Nox charges to compensate but new cars don't. But when it comes to big diesel SUV's theres no escaping the massive VRT bills tho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    We have an 8 year old Kia Niro PHEV. It has a battery range of about 50km. In the end, I couldn't justify the cost of the charger at home based on the payback period and it was a pain to charge at public chargers for such a small range. However, the regenerative braking system means we get a much better fuel consumption than a pure petrol car without any need to charge.

    So perhaps that's what others worked out too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭agoodusername


    A couple of thoughts on this.

    1. It's a small scheme. My guess is that any price increases like what happens with HTB and developers will be minimal.
    2. It'll be the push for a couple of thousand people who have been murmuring about getting something newer without a good enough excuse.
    3. My car just about falls within the criteria, but I don't really fancy spending 17k on something that wouldn't excite me very much. My car is fairly flawless, for now anyway. I don't think there is a scheme out there that'd make me switch.
    4. The scale is small enough not to distort the market, but big enough to learn about who is willing to sign up and the demand for such a scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Outside socket would do fine for a PHEV rather than a dedicated EV charger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    I’ve a neighbour with a full ev for over a year and still I see the granny cable out the window of a room for charging it. Hadn’t even an outside socket never mind an ev charger - daft really with a full ev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Buffman


    The actual criteria of this scheme are here for anyone interested:

    https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/scrappage-scheme

    The car must be taxed and insured at the time of application with an NCT that has expired no more than 6 months prior to application.

    That's a strange one IMO, perhaps 'unofficial' government acknowledgement of the massive waiting time for NCT dates unless you stay up at night waiting for a cancellation or hound them on the phone for a slot.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,033 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    It's a fair enough set of rules. Need to own the scrappage car for 12 months, must be taxed and insured when applying and an out of date nct is OK.

    I can see a few getting caught out with motortax. People may have an old car not taxed so they will have to back tax as the old swap owner trick cannot be used or they will fail the 12 months ownership rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Just a quick note on how urban Ireland is being fooked as usual, the new EV scrappage scheme is funded by taxpayers nationwide, but around 65% of the €10 million fund is being ring fenced for rural areas, leaving just 35% for Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford combined.

    Usual story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Rural Ireland has always had a very low uptake in EV purchases hence why the scheme is being allocated more to rural areas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    Get a grip. The pilot pot is €10M. Metrolink is costing at least €10 billion. Won't be that handy for rural dwellers is it?

    Rural dwellers drive significantly more distance on average so it makes sense to tilt it towards incentivising people who drive more to get into EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Cop on and get a grip yourself will you? Metrolink and an EV scrappage grant aren't remotely comparable. One is a national transport infrastructure project, the other is a consumer subsidy.

    It's that taxpayers everywhere are funding the scheme, yet 65% of the money is being ring fenced for one group while the cities get 35% between them.

    Universal funding, selective benefits. The usual story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    The local radio station that I had to endure briefly this morning with its government funded propaganda was in full brain washing ev mode.
    Ive no problem buying a Ev but see prices of cars rise now beyond the grant price like every single thing one has claimed a grant for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    Victim mentality. The pilot is a great idea, and hope loads of rural drivers take up their unfair allocation 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Is that 35% for the entire counties of dublin, galway, Limerick, Waterford, Cork? Or just the city limits (whatever that is??)

    Does our eircode system now differentiate between city and others?

    I live in county dublin in the old setup (K78 eircode) and I can walk to north kikdare (W23 eircode). I am about as rural in dublin as can be going west, parts of west Cork and galway would be much more rural but the equivalent really.

    Am I part of the 35% or 65%. What about a short walk to kildare? Im defo in the 65% there.

    Im not applying or complaining just wondering really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You're a clever fella, look it up. I'm busy and I was just making a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I didnt ask you for the answer, it was to the entire forum. You cant be that busy you are posting on boards a few mins ago about urban v rural ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'm sorry if you're triggered and feel victimised by my post. I didn't mean to upset you.

    Everyone in Mayo can use MetroLink if they want to. Nobody is excluded from it because of their address, and there will be plenty of people from Mayo, the rest of Ireland, and further afield using MetroLink.

    This EV scheme is the opposite. If you live in Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick, or Waterford, you're excluded from applying for most of the fund because 65% is ring fenced for rural applicants.

    MetroLink is national infrastructure located in Dublin. This is a cash grant with access restricted by postcode. They're not comparable. As always, urban Ireland pays the bills through the bulk of the country's tax take, but when grants and subsidies are handed out, it again finds itself at the back of the queue.

    And it seems it's only called "division" when urban Ireland speaks up. When rural Ireland protests, blocks roads, or demands special treatment, it's framed as community, tradition, or protecting a way of life. When urban taxpayers point out they're getting a smaller share of a scheme they're helping to fund, suddenly that's a problem.

    Quick reminder: MetroLink was supposed to be delivered in 2000. We're in 2026 now, and it still hasn't happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I'm terms of it not applying to second hand EVs, part of the aim is to get more EVs on the road which will filter down as used EVs to second owners. Really all new car sales should be heavily invcentivised towards EVs, discourage diesel and phev, as those cars will be around for 10+ years filtering on to the used car market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    Being factual isn't 'biased', nor is posting something factual that you dislike 'profoundly simplistic' and 'totally inaccurate'.

    It is factual and accurate to state the the lifecycle emissions of EVs including battery manufacturing, recycling, and the carbon intensity of national grids is analysed when comparing how green EVs are to other types of vehicles.

    I'll hold no truck with climate change deniers and nor should any other user, the time for 'debate' on climate change is over and people pretending established scientific fact and rigorous research is 'simplistic, biased and childish' don't have a leg to stand on.


    Seeing as how you couldn't read two posts further, perhaps you can point out the 'bias, profound simplicity, and total inaccuracy' in this comment and its link: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124521923/#Comment_124521923



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭HouseEater


    Why must most threads on this forum result in bickering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Exactly. The grant is a con.

    When they had the grant for upgrading central heating in house, the plumbers you had to goto had their price much higher than a regular plumber not registered. It was cheaper to get the regular plumber without the grant.

    Grants just make the base price increase.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    How can it in tbis case when only a small number of people are eligible for it?

    Unless I go in and say hey I am trading in my worthless old car and i am.getting the 8500 grant, deal of the century, i have loads of budget now, how are dealers to up the price?

    If I go in, enquire about the new byd surf, agree a price of 20k, then introduce my plan to do the scrappage they have no room to up the price.

    Ive never once mentioned my trade in car until I have agreed price of car i was buying



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