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John Collison on why Ireland can't do infrastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Consonata


    I think the argument can be made that houses already built out are sunk cost and we just have to get on with covering them.

    With a commensureate 0 tolerance policy for further development after the fact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Grassy Knoll


    One-off housing is killing country villages to a large degree. While most people who live in the countryside don't work there, they are commuting to cities or intermediate towns and do their shopping or business in these centres, thus village shops, post offices (not that many even use them anymore) etc are being bypassed. Some villages I know are now no longer commercial centres to any extent comprising older, rental housing stock while those who could help breath life into them live in the hinterland and have a looser connection. To an extent it is a 'donutting' phenomenon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    It’s somewhere between infuriating and tragic watching farming organisations, rural interest groups, and the like constantly demand more one-off housing while scratching their heads about why their nearest villages are losing post offices, banks, shops, pubs, and the like. They wilfully refuse to see the disastrous consequences of one-off housing.

    And then seeing the government fall over itself in its haste to make these anti-rural, unsustainable houses easier to build. It’s like parents giving their children cake for dinner because they want to seem cool, even though they know it’s the wrong thing to do.

    What is a government for if not for making the choices that protect society as a whole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seems timely that Sinead O'Sullivan has a new piece, this time on why Ireland can't fix anything:

    https://www.butthistime.com/p/kaleidoscopes

    This is a good summary of the piece:

    …'And what (Micheal) Martin did in thirty seconds is what the Irish state has been doing for forty years: using the genuine complexity of interconnected problems as a shield against acting on any of them.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Every single one of those farmers and rural dwellers drives past their nearby village to a bigger town.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If it is of the same standard as her other pieces it is only worth using as toilet paper.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I'm currently in Caen, Normandy. First thing you notice stepping out of the train station is the tram lines and trams. It's a city of 109,000 people.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There are a great many differences as to why they can do this, though one is that they don't have to plan the projects nationally - they are done locally and funded locally.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Yeah, I went on a guided walking tour this morning. Whilst the guide didn't discuss transport services, he did mention taxes and the takeaway from it seems to be the area has a bit of autonomy. They sold the courts of justice a while ago.

    It feels overlooked in the wider focus of Normandy's story. It's got ties with William the Conqueror too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Not a surprise, as France basically invented modern light-rail transit, and Wikipedia says there are currently 26 urban tram systems across the country. Seventeen out of of the twenty largest cities in France (i.e., cities with a population over 150,000) have tram services, which is pretty impressive.

    Rennes, at 230,000 people, is the biggest city without a tram, but it has the unique rubber-wheeled automatic Rennes Metro instead, which leaves Toulon (180,000) as the biggest city without any rail mass-transport. In the same part of France, but at the other end of the scale, Aubange (just east of Marseille), at 48,000 inhabitants, is the smallest place with one - but even the French consider that an abnormally small place to support a tram-line, and an extension of the line into Marseille itself is planned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    But, nothing between Dublin and Dublin airport. 40+ million for studies, no results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    The attacks on Progress Ireland by some online and PbP has been embarrassing. They have no interest whatsoever in discussing policy matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, how many millions spent years ago and just now the contract's being tendered? Glad to finally see some progress, only took what, 4 years for the Macroom bypass, a much simpler project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The Macroom Bypass took four years to build. Do you think everyone rocked up one morning and decided to just pile and blast until they were roughly happy with where the road was? Route selection, surveying, environmental investigations and road design took about 2-3 years, planning was over year. Even the tendering took 6 months - and that’s for a project whose cost was an unremarkable €300 million (that is a lot for just 22km, but it’s not a lot for a road building project).

    The MetroLink project is at least thirty times more expensive than this road. You imagine that all that preparation work would still cost the same and take the same time? C’mon…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭spuddy


    One thing I'm surprised about, when talking about one-off housing, is that there isn't more debate about the issues caused by septic tanks, especially when you see reports like these coming out.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0519/1574001-epa-septic-tanks/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Another great piece alright.

    Decades of government failure articulated so well again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    She’s a complete spoofer, she appeals to the terminally online type on Irish Reddit or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The last piece was about how she ran projects of amazing complexity for the NASA, having gotten her degrees at Harvard. She's got a better vitae than probably 100% of the Dail. https://www.sinead.co/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    As opposed to appealing to the terminally online boards users lol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Cringe in the extreme, this is not running a country.

    Her first piece was an embarrassment for someone with her “pedigree”. She selected a biased sample and attributed it to the whole place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Boards.ie used to be closer to what Irish Reddit is now. It’s a different kettle of fish from 20 years ago.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    She selected a biased sample and then didn't even interpret it well and failed to notice glaring examples of using mismatching data.

    It is insanely evident that she started this series of things with a conclusion and just started working backwards from there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Her analysis in "Kaleidoscopes" of the double-talk coming out of the government is spot on. Her points in the earlier articles about the prevalence of copium in Irish thinking are as well. We let the government get away with way too much as long as the checks keep coming in, so they keep the checks coming in. Should that FDI money go poof, the country will be in very bad straits. With large annual budget surpluses we should have had, already, light rail to Dublin and a medical system at least in the top 10 in Europe, but we're 12th worse behind Belarus but not as highly ranked as, say, Iran (which is near the bottom but not as far as Ireland):

    (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-health-care-in-2026/)

    which in turn links to this:

    (https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rankings_by_country.jsp)

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    Pretty sad to be behind Iran in health care.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Also pretty ridiculous to take at face value some random ranking that puts us just barely ahead of Belarus. This is the thinking of someone who simply wants this to be true.

    In reality it is a ranking based on surveys from website visitors. It could not be less relevant or trustworthy if it tried. Though it does strike me as the kind of thing Sinead O'Sullivan would also believe as manipulating idiotic data to make Ireland seem far and away the worst country in Europe is seemingly her favourite activity.

    Here is another one that puts us 6th. However I am not going to mindlessly take is true because I know that such rankings are obviously incredibly difficult to impossible because there are so many factors and any system of such will be insanely subjective. Though their system is still slightly less stupid than "asking website visitors what they think".

    https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/?srsltid=AfmBOoqG5gUBF4ExzboANNIwd9xlgXArs1o1FXkGTa_TVpXIfyeOnW4n

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I think this is telling from the visualcapitalist data:

    '

    One of the clearest patterns in the rankings is that the world’s best healthcare systems are not necessarily the most expensive. Top-performing countries tend to prioritize broad access, preventative care, and efficiency over sheer spending.

    '

    Ireland is third highest cost per capita in Europe Does it have the 3rd best outcomes in Europe?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think what is telling from the visualcapitalist data is that it is clearly garbage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Your link to 'ceoworld' shows 5 of the top 10 countries in Europe. Not Ireland, though. Just as much reliance on published data and surveys as visualcapitalist does, too. So, is your argument if it supports my point, the data are fine, otherwise garbage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,337 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why do guys like John Collison, just because they have money, think they are experts on topics they know little to nothing about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    The real question is why the media give so much air time and column inches to wealthy people?


    (Rhetorical question of course).



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