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The Healy Raes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The poster is "VOTE No.1 HEALY-RAE DANNY"

    His latest utterances only make MHR look like a bigger eejit. Can he only do something if Danny says it's OK? Now he's complaining about the consequences of his (MHR) being such a sap.

    When asked if he will ever work with his brother again politically, Healy-Rae said he will be careful with doing a deal with someone again, stating that you have to be able to rely on that person to have a backbone.

    Anyone contemplating doing a deal with MHR in future should certainly contemplate his complete lack of a backbone

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Journal comment:

    What did he expect? Danny Healy Rae should be stacking shelves in a shop and putting the trolleys back into place, under supervision

    Accurate 😀

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I think that is what they want you think. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the MHR was looking for a way out because of the heat he was getting and him and Danny cooked this up between them.

    The 2 like to play at 'being one of the people" and play this simpleton role to come across as harmless when they are anything but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    And have young Jackie, the boxer lad, as his trainee, keep him away from the drink and bating up tourists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,214 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    ‘under supervision at the end is absolutely perfect use of words. Chefs kiss to whoever posted that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Much of the public works done here in County Cork are carried out by DHR's business. He's no fool in that area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Do you know him personally? Not one bit accurate really.

    Now, my opinion on what's going on

    This current rift is decades old.

    There is no love lost between the brothers or the cousins since the end of the dual mandate when Jackie SNRs Kerry Co Co seat went to Danny. Its always been jostling for positions. Mike had won his own seat in the Killorglin EA after a KCC redraw. Jackie junior wasn't old enough for that seat when Mike went to the Dail and Johnny (Dannys son) got that one.

    After the amalgamation of the two Dail constituencies into one and Dannys election to the Dail, he then did one better by co-opting Maura into his KCC seat in Killarney, forcing Jackie junior to go to Castleisland when he wanted a council seat.

    Danny blocked Mike's junior ministry back in 2016 when Enda wanted to make him minister for rural affairs. Danny apparently wouldn't vote for EK for Taoiseach under any circumstances.

    Danny's wife is an absolute lady and their large family are extremely likeable, highly capable and well respected.

    Mike's family are all business and not quite as personable but highly effective.

    It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I don't see any reconciliation as being possible after what Mike said to Jerry o Sullivan on RK the other day.

    Danny appears to have had a rush of blood to the head after being roundly abused at the protest in Killarney on the Sunday before he spoke. MM (who hates both of them intensely) then forced Mike out as punishment for Dannys perceived disloyalty to gov.

    If there's a splitting of Kerry into two Dail constituencies again (as is possible to likely) neither will want to go in Kerry North. What happens then? Do they run against each other? Mike would win. Jackie junior goes in Kerry North in that scenario.

    Does Danny drop out and let Johnny or Maura run against Mike or would Mike bury the hatchet enough to let one of them go in NK (they have no current votes there but Jackie junior does) and have Jackie jnr wait for his own seat?

    If there's no constituency change, its a lot simpler- Danny runs or drops out in favour of one of Johnny or Maura, but do Mike and Jackie jnr allow that to go uncontested or try to nab both seats for themselves?

    Fascinating stuff if you're a political nerd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    And this is why we need term limits. Become an actual representative democracy, not some feudal version of it where fiefdoms get handed down.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I agree wholeheartedly but that utopia is very very far off and its not limited to rural or familial politics either. In the real world, every party rep, and every independent have someone coming behind them for 'their' seat. That's the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I don't think so, there was a complete turnaround in MHR's statements in the space of 24 hours

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Ok, different for an independent, but still, no, a party rep might have 2 or 3 people coming after "their" seat, and the local party has a selection convention to decide who gets to run. (And if the loser doesn't like the result, they can leave the party and run as an independent, hello Jackie H-R!)

    If there were term limits, at least you wouldn't have people going "That's Blogg's seat, poor craythur, sure I'll vote for their kid!" as a sympathy vote when they pop their clogs. That's how Mildred Fox got in, and she didn't utter a word in the Dáil, once. Hugh Coveney said he didn't want any of his kids to go into politics, and we got Simon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Term limits for tds feels undemocratic too, if enough of the public want to be represented by somebody, what's to stop that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And a term limit isn't going to stop intergenerational transfer of seats.

    Don't agree with it myself, but if that's what the electorate want, then who is to say that they're wrong?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,894 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I suppose the proposed ban would only apply to the constituency the parent represented

    Otherwise you'd end up with a cohort who were disbarred from representative politics by reason of birth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Maura would have had a good chance if she'd ran in Cork NW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    If Bob is elected in 2027 for his first term at the age of 40, and was only allowed serve, say, two terms, even three, he'd be finished as a TD at 55, retiring in 2042 (and I'd propose couldn't then "retire" to the Seanad.) If he pops his clogs at the early age of 70, 15 years later, his son Ted can run for election (as Ted could have done at any stage!), but nobody is going "Ah, poor Ted, his da is after dyin', sure I'll give him a vote, it's only right his son gets the seat!"

    Term limits are what will save America from Trump running again in 2028…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's totally different and we have a two term limit on the Presidency ourselves, despite it having far less power

    If you want to make entering politics even less attractive for talented people with other career options, fire away…

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    And the equivalent of being a TD in the Dáil is a member of the US House, which has no term limits also.



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