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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 EI-FNH


    -DEG due back this evening as EIN991 at 21:33.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    The a321 neos seemed to be getting used more frequently on the early lanzarote flight me praying the use on on the 30th of June when I fly with them lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 JW7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 EI-FNH


    Seen that🫠, it’s heading out to Marseille afterwards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 irishAvflyer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 EI-FNH


    Do ya know which A333 will be operating to FAO on the 17th June?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭jwm121


    That'll only be known a day or two before the flight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 irishAvflyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 EI-FNH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭pilatus


    https://www.key.aero/article/aer-lingus-shake

    I think this is the same article that is in the current edition of Airliner World detailing Aer Lingus on turning 90.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Anyone know where the A330 getting moved off IAD 118/119 is being reassigned to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Some more Aer Lingus (Cork) updates:

    • FCO loaded for February presumably for Six Nations.
    • A load of September/October FAO flights taken off sale.
    • Some Wednesday TFS flights in September also taken off sale.
    • MUC now starts Dec 19th remaining 1x weekly instead of starting end of Nov and 2x weekly for Christmas period.

    Also EI do have slots for ATH for the first week of October. Whether they will be used or not is the next question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 irishAvflyer


    Sounds like a reduction in cork base size to move to DUB base to increase profit margin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Starting to look that way unfortunately. Planned increases in flights to AGP and ACE have been cancelled, and even LYS is back to 1x weekly compared to 2w last year.

    The only indication of a 3rd aircraft staying is the timings for PRG and GVA. If that changes from 13:15/13:45 to around 17:00/17:30 then a 2 aircraft base this winter is pretty much confirmed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭Shamrockj


    they have a surplus of aircraft in the winter anyway , if Cork is reduced for the winter it won’t be to increase in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 KB77


    I wouldn’t be surprised if they park serval aircraft up during the winter



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Seems like a no brainer with the expected fuel prices for the next 12-18 months.
    They did reduce the capacity over the last winter, A330 routes downguaged to A321 while A321 routes were suspended/reduced.

    As an aside, got a text from a mate today. 90th anniversary advert will be released within the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    https://www.businesspost.ie/companies/aer-lingus-slashing-flights-and-senior-staff-in-urgent-cost-cutting-drive/

    One to watch, I feel Cork will be hit the hardest from this unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,036 ✭✭✭Comhrá




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    A bit dramatic for an airline that have had very very profitable seasons for the past number of years (Covid aside)

    A few bumpy patches in terms of global economics and uncertainty, but that’s not exactly something new either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    It certainly feels like IAG is turning the screws on Aer Lingus now.

    My concern is that Aer Lingus has been backed into a corner with nothing else left to give. The product is lagging, the fleet is aging, staff relations are in the pits, management appear rudderless and the early sign of 'transformation' is to shrink, cut and slash yet again which will simply hand marketshare to Ryanair and European legacy rivals while the transatlantic business continues to come under pressure.

    Feels like the stage is being set for a major showdown with unions but the question is, what happens if Aer Lingus still can't consistentinly maintain or even meet the high margin target IAG sets after all the cuts? Could IAG consider offloading the business?

    IAG must shoulder some of the blame of Aer Lingus' current predicament too. The laser focus on transatlantic flying pushed by the group, particularly to secondary cities to justify A321LR/XLR investment left other areas of the business to flounder in my opinion.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    100%.

    You can't slash your way to increase revenue. You need to work your assets more and increase ancillary spending.

    Delta had a 7.9% profit margin in 2025, United had 8.9%, American was under 5%. Jetblue was -4%.
    Aer Lingus had 11.1%. But thats not good enough for IAG.

    One problem is their reliance on A330ceo's. If they had A330neo's they would be in a better position re fuel usage. However IAG won't give them A330neo's until they hit that 12% return on investment.

    Its a catch 22.

    I expect that we might see half of the A330s grounded over the Winter. (Combo of downguaging routes to 321, and annual maintainace)

    Post edited by Tenger on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    It's such a terrible way to manage a business. The parent company makes demands of the companies in the group and seems to just expect them to meet the demands like Subjects to the Crown.

    They set a target and expect all airlines under their group to meet it, without any regard for the individual airline itself. As mentioned already, no diversification from dependency on US routes and now the big American carriers are putting the squeeze on them. No short-haul growth, that's left to ryanair. They are a legacy carrier with legacy costs, operating from a small island. The parent group doesn't seem to see itself as the driver or the innovator or doesn't work with the companies to create something, just set targets and expect results. BA and Iberia have access to massive population centres with the ability to leverage huge premium traffic. That is just not a reality for Ireland. Vueling made a 7% profit last year €234 million off €3.2b turnover. Aer Lingus made €282m from €2.5bn turnover, 11%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 KB77


    you mentioned about fuel burn advantage of the 330neo vs CEO, any idea roughly what the difference would be, we’ll say round trip to the states.

    I think I read somewhere when the 321LR’s replaced the 757’s that the savings on fuel on a round trip to America was about 10 Ton



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Airbus state that the A330neo burn 12-14% less fuel than the A330ceo.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    in real world that’s probably more like 9-10%

    Still significant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    So shortest A330 TATL route is BOS? Longest is LAX? Whats a 10% saving A339 vs A333 on each route in tonnes?

    You also have to factor in other costs on overall savings. For example, pre COVID, operating an A330 CEO was generally cheaper than a 787 because even though the 787 burned considerably less fuel, the acquisition/leasing cost greatly exceeded the cost of the excess fuel burn due to cheap fuel being available at the time. With astronomical fuel costs currently, the opposite is generally true....depending on the fuel hedging situation of the specific carrier.

    To complicate things further, you need to factor in the interest rates for borrowing for each carrier. EG say Norse will be paying more than say Aer Lingus because Norse finances are less secure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,542 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Just read the Business Post article about Aer Lingus and some very concerning stuff there.

    While part of IAG they've eroded the product and image of Aer Lingus while making some questionable decisions (Base in Manchester was a bizarre move in my opinion) and now they're seeing the impact. Cutting off limbs to try squeeze profitability is only going to worsen this situation.

    At this rate, it would be best for all involved if it was offloaded from IAG, who are overwhelming interested in simply treating it like a cash cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    The A330 problem

    I think this is one of the biggest structural issues.

    The A330-2/300 fleet is reliable but increasingly expensive relative to newer aircraft.

    An Airbus A330-900neo would offer:

    • lower fuel burn,
    • lower maintenance costs,
    • better cargo economics,
    • longer economic life.

    The catch, as is pointed out, is that IAG generally allocates aircraft where returns justify the investment.

    If management are effectively being told:

    Hit 12% returns and then we'll discuss fleet renewal while simultaneously competing with older aircraft, that's a difficult circle to square.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 KB77


    If you take Boston for example, at a guess I’d say the A339 is somewhere between 7 to 10 Ton per round trip savings. Lax or sfo could be more. The A339 has a higher MTOW also, latest version is 253T vs 242T on EI heavier 302 frames currently. Someone on here with more knowledge than me would be more accurate



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