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New gov scrappage grant of 8500

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    I hope this is more than just a box ticking exercise but there's a €10m fund to provide 5k in grants so it is limited to 2,000 cars. There was over 7,000 new EVs registered in January so this fund will only last a few weeks and I suspect it will have minimal impact.

    Given its a only pilot scheme it will have a minimal impact. But hopefully it leads to something bigger.

    But I should have clarified my previous comments when I said it was all about climate, its actually about money. i.e. EU fines for not hitting 2030 climate targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Indeed, and those fines could be significant. Definitely makes more sense to spend the money now than to use it to pay fines later.

    My only point is that €10m is a drop in the ocean by comparison to the amount of our taxpayers money that is going towards the current ICE subsidies. Google Gemini puts that figure at €250m, I'm not sure if it's that high but it's definitely a lot of money literally being burnt to help ICE drivers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    yes but it's probably important to point out that it's not going to be the same as driving a 15 year old Diesel today.

    Will you get 15 years from a new EV? Yes, absolutely, in 15 years time your car will still work and be perfectly usable. The early Leaf cars still work, they are just fairly crap by modern standards and only really suitable for very specific use cases.

    But the gap between a 2041 EV and a 2026 EV is going to be far bigger than the gap between a 2026 Diesel and a 2011 Diesel. An EV you buy today will be very outdated in 15 years time.

    Someone will improve battery technology that sees ranges grow dramatically. Someone will improve charge technology that sees charge times drop massively. Cars that have to stop for 25 minutes to charge on the motorway will become very undesirable for people.

    A 15 year old Diesel is likely missing bells-and-whistles features from modern cars, but the underlying performance of the car won't be dramatically different to a modern car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    good to see the government is still pursuing the need for the change over to ev's, but this will very likely fall short of its aims, the majority of us will more than likely remain driving ice cars until well into the 40's/50's unfortunately, mentioned on the times inside politics podcast

    https://player.fm/series/irish-times-inside-politics



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Absolute waste, and stupid version of climate protection. Producing a new car to replace an extant one is environmentally very harmful. Add the fact that people running old cars are unlikely to be in the market financially to be buying new cars. So again my tax dollar goes to help the better off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Let’s pick a popular family car the Skoda Kodiaq 7 seater. A good spec one new is approx 67k otr so with a 20k deposit that’s approx 460 a month pcp. A 3 year old so 2023 Kodaiq sells for around 45k. Puts a 20k deposit and 3 year credit union loan that about 760 euro per month. So you are driving a brand new car for close to half the monthly outlay (and the same upfront outlay) as a 3 year old used one which has far more potential to cost you money within the 3 years also.

    After 3 years most people will be changing to a newer one so if you trade in the pcp one you never pay the balloon and go into a new one for similar monthly plus maybe a little extra deposit (or maybe not the way kodiaq’s hold hold their value). You go up to another 3 year old one and your figures are similar to change so you end up in reality spending more to own the older car and have a more challenging cash flow outcome on the monthly repayments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes, a ton of carbon is used in producing and transporting ev's, but clearly far less is used during the life of an ev over the life of an ice car, we have to get ice cars off the road asap, and government subsides clearly need to be a fundamental part of trying to attempt this, but yes, most programs such as, only truly benefit higher classes, we clearly need to get a move on with radially upgrading our public transport, in order to also accommodate lower classes, but dont worry, its unlikely to occur any time soon, if at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    New cars have to be produced regardless to replace older ones averaged over the long term it should make no difference to the numbers of cars produced except it will be increasing EVs produced vs non EVs which will be far better for the environment over their lifetime of the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Exactly. Let's start with all the EV buses parked up since a few years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    I don’t work for Skoda I am just familiar with the figures as I have been looking at purchasing one so was easy to give the example. I am most likely going to hold out for the new Skoda Peaq EV now though - hence my complaints on be EV price cap for the scheme 🙂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what a cock up, this also shows how out of touch our state is in regards what needs to be done here, and how to do it, we still clearly dont have the infrastructure required for a largely ev transport system, in its entirety, for both state and private transportation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,030 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Is there a max price on the ev you can buy and still get the grant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That's the sweet spot for buying a new car maybe.

    Cheapest option is just paying the minimum to keep an old car on the road. Until the point repairs cost more than buying another old car.

    But scrappage deal isn't targeting that market. It's IMO get some people who are about to buy a new ice to buy an EV instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    but the reality is, most car owners cant actually afford to buy younger cars, hence why most are going to remain driving ice cars, and for a very long time to come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Nice cars but proposing here that buying an almost 70k car instead of a 45k car makes financial sense is madness!

    Your cash flow might be the same, but it is engineered that way, financial position at end of 3 years will be very different. However, that's the way PCP is packaged and put forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Think €50k which is down from €60k and proof this is just a joke waste of time effort. Paltry amount that might reduce EV sales as many would be in the 50 to 60k bracket.

    If it was about the environment or avoiding fines there would be no upper limit. Just limit the grant amount at €3500 so someone buying a 60k car gets proportionally less grant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Political white washing. Making it look like you're doing something but actually doing very little. Tokenism. Vote grabber.

    I don't think there anything wrong with the scrappage scheme it's self. It's only going to useful to a narrow group of people.

    Why they've created it now, is harder to explain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭John arse


    After yesterday's announcement I wonder are there more incentives coming in October's budget???🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    possibly, but again, will more than likely only benefit a very small percentage of car owners, if you re like myself, and have an ice car, rock on!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    stunning machine, you re probably saving a fortune, but again, the majority of us wont be driving ev's for a very long time to come, and we ll all pay for it, including yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    Any mention of PHEV's in the scheme?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭GPoint


    Did we forget that end of summer excise duties will go up again? At that time government can say, but look we are giving people support to do away with old ice cars. It’s a smart move to give them better looks and soften public anger come time for hard decisions end of summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    What's the percentage of new EV sales in the 50k-60k bracket in this country do you know? You say many would be but I would have thought it would be a small percentage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    Think €50k which is down from €60k and proof this is just a joke waste of time effort. Paltry amount that might reduce EV sales as many would be in the 50 to 60k bracket.

    Proof of what? The Govt made very clear they are looking to promote the purchase of small and medium sized EVs rather than larger and more expensive models, hence the reduction in the grant.

    In fact it may even incentivise manufacturers to lower their retail pricing for models that just exceed the pricing in order to qualify for the scheme. Its actually very strategic by the Govt.

    Remember its a pilot scheme so its small in scale. How consumers respond to it will inform as to a larger scheme being implemented.

    If it was about the environment or avoiding fines there would be no upper limit. Just limit the grant amount at €3500 so someone buying a 60k car gets proportionally less grant.

    Of course there has to a be a limit. Govt still has to manage a budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    PHEVs are completely excluded from the scheme. They do not qualify on either side of the transaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭GPoint


    Regarding 0% pcp comments above and how it is good. Mad lad would have jumped on this for sure. But, seriously, why people forget that they given away a huge deposit and that they are not guaranteed to not have to pay extra deposit to roll into new pcp!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Will have to Google precise numbers bit when I was in the market there were trims not selling that were over the then threshold.



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