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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You’ve also stated numerous times that you don’t care about Israel/Palestine, yet you continue to discuss it (in favour of one side in particular).

    You’ve also questioned if Muslims/Arabs are human.

    I’d love to engage half as much as you do in things you “don’t care about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I dont favour anyone when it comes to Israel and Palestine.

    I never questioned if Muslims or Arabs are human.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Yes, because you don’t care, yet continually push back against any poster that condemns Israel/IDF.

    You did, I posted your response earlier in this thread. It’s below if you want to re jog your memory.

    The prime “virtue signaller” of FAI finances on here responded to a question on the other thread of “do you think that Arabs generally, and Muslims specifically, are human beings worthy of protection under International Law? Edit: do you even think they are human?”

    They stated “Depends how you define human I’d guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Ive routinely suggested what a boycott of Israel should be, but everyone dismissed it out of hand because it means giving up on the nicer things in life. Funny that. Nobody wants to actual take decisive action where it might just mean they have to make a sacrifice.

    By suggesting A boycott means an actual boycott, thats Somehow that's pro-Israel/IDF?

    Anyone who does this, or celebrates this doesnt deserve to be called human.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Your mask fell off a while ago, let’s not bother with this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The key point is "highly likely" - not absolutely certain. When they first set off, who knows, international pressure could have forced Israel to not intercept, countries may have escorted the flotilla safely to Gaza or the IDF could have started eating itself (as they are) and no-one would be available to intercept the flotilla.

    Seriously - cut out the lying crap. Its childish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestinian footballers arrested by Israel

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel--extends-detention-of-palestinian-national-football

    Israeli authorities have extended the detention of Rand Halawani, a 20-year-old player on the Palestinian women's national football team, after she was summoned for questioning in occupied Al-Quds, as the occupation continues its systematic targeting of Palestinian athletes, the Palestinian Football Association has announced.

    Halawani was arrested on Tuesday evening, and an occupation court subsequently extended her detention until Friday, according to the Palestinian governorate of occupied Al-Quds. The Palestinian Football Association denounced the prolonged detention, stating that Halawani's arrest and that of a former national team player "is not an isolated incident, it is part of a well-documented pattern of systematic targeting of Palestinian athletes, which continues without accountability."

    On the same day, Israeli forces also arrested former national football player Natalie Abu Diyeh, a student at Birzeit University, along with three other young Palestinian women in the occupied West Bank. The Israeli military claimed in a statement that the four women were suspected of "promoting terrorist activities and additional terrorist-related activities."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Not 100% certain certain, agreed. About 99% likely. Like every other time this has happened. This really is General Melcherd stuff.

    International pressure… from who? Who was going to pressure them that they would actually listen to enough to overrule (from their POV) national security issues. Realistically the only person who could do that is Trump. And he was not going to do that, was he.

    An international escort, again realistically who?

    If they IDF were having manpower issues, then the easier way to "deal" with the flotilla would have been to sink them. They would never realistically loose the capability to that, no matter how much the IDF would be "eating itself". And I presume you wouldn't doubt that they would do that if they needed to.

    I'll call out lying when I see it. When someone tries to argue two opposing points at the same time one must be a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No problem calling out liars - doing it multiple times really comes across as childish. Do it once then move on.

    I don't have a crystal ball here - there could be a million reasons. Technical failure on a IDF boat and they cant find the flotilla or not all of it. The point is, and you agree, there wasn't 100% certainty they'd be detained.

    The flotilla protesters are as cunning as a cunning fox. Its working brilliiantly for them.

    All we need now is FIFA/UEFA to listing to the growing clamour for Israel to be banned from world football.

    Don't know much about Albanian football but I hope the 6,600 spectators enjoyed it and weren't too disappointed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You should learn the difference between the words "could" and "should". Everything I said was in the context of the former, you're claiming it was the latter.

    Is that a deliberate, or unintentional misrepresentation? I'm aware it could be either given the quality of arguments being made here, for the most part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Are you going to explain the significance of Israel playing the same number of friendlies as Ireland yet?

    You thought that was a great gotcha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Already fessed up to that PJ. Unlike you lying about Israeli athletes not serving in combat units. You thought that was a great gotcha too - LOL.

    Seems you relish in dishing it out to all and sundry but run away when called out yourself. Not that that's unusual of course.

    Like I said - people in glass houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ah that reminds me you spent ages trying to claim I had actually said they didn't serve in the IDF at all and it took many many many attempts to get you to properly read my post and admit your "mistake". Theres so many misreadings you make it can be hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You are backtracking at the speed of light there.

    You would not post your idea unless I made a post agreeing to support a boycott if the financial losses can be overcome.

    You then posted your Celtic nonsense.

    Even when you were told by all and sundry it was nonsense you defended it relentlessly.

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    In your own words. You actually believed this was a viable option. You probably still do.

    However events this week suggest the thought processes of Celtic fans and the Celtic board differ wildly. Another reason to add to the long list of them to debunk this BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're literally posting screenshots of me saying something would not be easy, but could be done, which is the point I just made......

    Tell me, do you know much about bird law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    "Definitely could be done"

    "Total attendance would be greater then two games v Israel"

    "More then reasonable chance Celtic would go for it"

    "There would be a TV market"

    " its definitely not BS or ludicrous"

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    A whole lot of fairly definitive statements in there with no basis in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Let me help you out.

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    I dont know where you think you're going with this blatant misrepresented what was said, but when this is what you've to stretch to, you should reflect on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You used terms like "would be" quite a Bit. You used the term "Definitely could be done"

    Yet you claim i am misrepresenting you. Total hypocrisy coming from you, although not that its unexpected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hyperbole much PJ?
    "Spent ages", "took many many many attempts". A couple of posts is now a few weeks worth of posts. The desperation is strong.

    But keep floundering there and not fessing up to your own lies about Israeli athletes not serving in combat units. I had the maturity to admit my mistake - you seem not to. Even after corroborated evidence and named athletes, including a footballer, was provided.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


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    You were posting this nonsense in April as a definitive solution.

    Everyone can see that.

    You defended it vehemently despite not one other poster replying to say it was a good idea. Not one.

    Now you are back tracking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Israel won 1-0 tonight BTW

    Was there any notable protests in last nights game?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Not that I can see, but Albanians seem to be protesting Jared Kushners €4bn resort plan for conservation reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,014 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The stadium was only a quarter full, Israeli anthem was heavily booed, the Albanian players became involved in a punch up with the Israelis after the winning goal was scored and numerous missiles were thrown on the pitch.

    Something seriously dodgy about the way this "friendly" (that the home supporters didn't want) was arranged by the Albanian FA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    So do we have to boycott Albania now for playing Israel? When is the march down O'Connell Street and onto the Albanian Embassy happening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So the nations league came into being because friendlies are generally poorly attended. Look at Aviva last Thursday, just over half full, likewise for example Croatia v Belgium on Tuesday drew 7700 only. Some countries had decent attendances in their last pre world Cup home game (Holland draw 40k in a 48k capacity stadium)

    Anthems being booed is nothing new. And neither is missiles being fired onto the pitch for that matter. Some pictures on Google show Israel fans mingling in stands with locals and there didnt seem to be any trouble there.

    Albanian is a pro Israel country and they signed a new trade agreement a few days ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    I watched most of it. The Israeli goalscorer celebrated the goal in front of the home supporters, which enraged the Albanian players and fans. The referee issued two yellows at the end of the handbags that ensued.

    The Israeli anthem was booed. However, there was no visible Palestinian protest that I could see, no flags, banners etc. There was Israeli support there, and I didn't see any tension between the two groups of supporters.

    It wasn't a punch up. The referee issued two yellows at the end of it, which should tell you everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Going by latest fake outrage about Robbie Keane and the Celtic job, I'd say soon enough!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The same celtic who had no issue signing numerous Israelis over the last quarter of a Century are now outraged because Robbie Keane chose to work in Israel. The hypocrisy is astonishing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    Oh, that idea has been floated around by quite a few of them. At our meeting, we had Celtic v Palestine here to raise money, for the FAI. The Palestinians have been through a tough time over the last few years. I think it's a bit much to ask them to travel over here to play in a fundraiser for Irish football.

    At the moment, Celtic fans are protesting against the appointment of Robbie Keane as their manager because he managed in Israel. Reading some of the nonsense they post about him, you'd swear he was leading the IDF into battle.

    We really are living in interesting times.



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