Israel/Palestine Thread

Zara is linked to Israel - I posted this already. You seem to be simply ignoring that fact.

Why?

Trumps tells Alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) what the rest of the world has known for years. Also, the IDF are probably highly miffed they don't get to do more of the auld murdering.

Harretz straplines:

President Trump on Wednesday confirmed that he told PM Netanyahu he was "f**king crazy" in a heated call on Monday, saying he was "perturbed" by the Israeli premier "constantly fighting with Lebanon."

During an interview on the "Pod Force One" podcast with New York Post journalist Miranda Devine, Trump emphasized that he still maintains close ties with Netanyahu: "I like Bibi a lot … I've worked very well with him." Netanyahu did not deny Trump's remarks, telling CNBC later Wednesday that while he sometimes has "tactical disagreements" with the Trump administration, "we work them out."

Meanwhile, senior IDF officers said on Wednesday that the military suspended planned attacks that required extensive preparation in Beirut and other major Lebanese cities at the last minute following direct orders from Trump.

If they took their own advice, Likud and the Far Right nutters would currently be on a plane to The Hague. But the hypocricy is strong in this one.

Harretz straplines (free by email)

In other developments on Wednesday, Israel formally barred Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour from entering the country following a recommendation earlier this week from the Diaspora Affairs Ministry over her alleged ties to the BDS movement. Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli wrote on X: "Whoever dedicates their life to isolating and harming Israel will not walk our streets. Period."

My point is that it seems to be a poor choice of target for the protest. Yes, they have got publicity for sure (hence we're discussing it), but the nature of the discussion in itself is the indicator of why it was a poor choice. If the end result is people thinking "those people would protest against the sun rising because the sun also rises over Israel" then the publicity isn't going to be usefully effective.

For example, whilst I don't support the actions protesters in the UK who targetted the Elbit Systems offices for vandelism, the target is as effective and pertinant as you would hope to find , and I'll give them full credit for that. That's a vast contrast to the tenuous links of Belfast Zara.

It is not a good look for Zara to be associated with him, I'm sure you agree

100%. He's a POS, IMO. I'm surprised that they'd take the risk of associating with such a minority politician, even in a pure internal Israeli context. Risky business. Like lining up your company with Farage in the UK, probably more to loose than gain.

Trade union disputes can picket one employer even though the issue may affect an entire industry.

My understanding is that there are now laws governing which companies can be picketed in a dispute. It has to be the employers. It can't be other companies in a related industry. So I don't think this particular example applies (I'm not arguing the other because I understand the point your making, I think).

The logic is that concentrated pressure is more practical than trying to target everything. So tell me, are fuel protesters, trade unionsists, farmers, anti apartheid protesters all just virtue signallers as well for applying this very same strategy?

I didn't call them virtue signallers. I said I thought they had chosen a poor target. That is not at all the same thing.

This is why I hoped my providing the example of the Targetting of Elbit systems offices would get accross that point. That was a more extreme protest, but it was a much more direct obviously applicable target.

To me it seems like targeting Zara is a poor use of limited resources. Please don't read any more into that than what I am saying.

The British protesters were much more effective with their choice of Elbit as a target (and achieved way more publicity by taking everything to more extremes).

You do have to pretend: in order to fabricate your claim of "genocide" you have to hand-wave away legitimate reasons for Israel's actions.

You have to pretend that Hamas is not in charge of Gaza - and has not yet surrendered - or that this is somehow irrelevant to the ongoing conflict.

To make Israel "the bad guy" in Lebanon you have to hand-wave away the fact that Hezbollah (who are not supposed to be operating South of the Litani river) began attacking Israel continuously since 8/Oct/23.

Ah, so you didn't read the post detailing why people are protesting Zara.

Until you do, just keep trotting out the trade and manufacturing rubbish. Its nothing to do with that. Read the link I posted and you'll see.

I suspect you haven't/won't becasue it really really doesn't suit the narrtaive you're peddling.

So, you're saying Israel had legitimate reasons to kill 50,000 women and children and turn Gaza into dust?

No-one has to make Israel "the bad guy" - they are doing that exquisitely themselves with Ben-Gvir as the main cheerleader.