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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's it, a valid reason to boycott a football match is because the most powerful football administrator on the planet is complicit in what is happening in Israel.

    He has emboldened Trump's narrative around the region and has prostituted himself (and football) to Trump for his own fame and notoriety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The prime “virtue signaller” of FAI finances on here responded to a question on the other thread of “do you think that Arabs generally, and Muslims specifically, are human beings worthy of protection under International Law? Edit: do you even think they are human?”

    They stated “Depends how you define human I’d guess.

    Yes it’s all about the FAI finances and nothing to do with disliking Muslims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yes, I think you do need to read slowly. Seems you’re playing both sides to cover your views. So, they weren’t risking their lives? Or did you mean they were risking their lives due to maybe their boats capsizing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Its very basic. You guys can understand it. Eventually. I hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    From a financial perspective, all would be better off if fans showed up to the match in numbers wearing Palestine jerseys, waving Palestine flags, singing the Palestine national anthem and drinking Palestine/Gaza cola.

    I think such a move would also send a signal internationally, imagine the power of such images beamed around the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    If the game is in Dublin im wearing my Ireland jersey and scarf. Im there to support Ireland. This stuff is utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Hamas executes people most days of the week, it isn't just in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Can't hold that against you either to be fair. I'm talking specifically about those considering a boycott



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Greengrass53


    Don't think he's too concerned about troglodytes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No, you haven't answered. You said they put their lives at risk. At risk from what/whom? I asked did you mean from their boats capsizing…..is this the risk you meant?

    "When people literally put their lives at risk trying to get aid to Palestine on the flotilla, all you guys dismissed that as a pointless exercise."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Let's be honest here, Israel are doing terrible things, but there are no good guys in this.

    Palestine is ruled by a terrorist group and a backwards kip.

    If those on the Flotilla got to Palestine, they would likely be dead now.

    You want the world to see Irish people wearing Palestine jerseys, waving the flag and singing the national anthem in Ireland.

    It would send a message to the world alright and not one that would make us look good.

    This is at a time where hanging an Irish flag is controversial.

    This nonsense is a bit much, people can protest about Israel which is fair enough, pandering to a terrorist run backwards kip is not something positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Let's be honest here, Israel are doing terrible things, but there are no good guys in this.

    Yes, and many other countries are doing much worse things than Israel, but that shouldn't excuse Israel from criticism. There should have been protests against the Qatar game as well but notably the usual suspects were silent when they rocked in

    Palestine is ruled by a terrorist group and a backwards kip.

    It's not ruled by anybody at the moment. When it was ruled by Hamas, they were supported by Netanyahu, they are 2 cheeks to the same arse in fairness

    If those on the Flotilla got to Palestine, they would likely be dead now.

    Who would have killed them? I assume they would have dropped their loads and then turned around and came home

    You want the world to see Irish people wearing Palestine jerseys, waving the flag and singing the national anthem in Ireland.

    Not really but it would be preferable to a boycott. A boycott would hide the problem, I'd rather see the problem highlighted than hidden

    It would send a message to the world alright and not one that would make us look good.

    Why would standing up for peace, security and the global rule of law not make us look good? It might not look good to Donald Trump or other war mongers

    This is at a time where hanging an Irish flag is controversial.

    And it shouldn't be, but sadly we have been allowing our flag to be used for looney right wing protests that the vast majority of our country don't support

    This nonsense is a bit much, people can protest about Israel which is fair enough, pandering to a terrorist run backwards kip is not something positive.

    Again I make the point that Hamas have been beaten in Gaza and no longer hold control. Unless you are trying to argue that Fatah or more likely Likud are now a terrorist organisation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    Back to matters on the field of play. Israel are playing against Albania in Albania tonight. Let's see how this plays out. Will the Albanians protest? Can't see the game being boycotted at this late stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I guess if you look hard enough you will find a stream



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I'll take it then that you now acknowledge that the flotilla never intended to actually deliver any aid to Palestine. They were, in fact, expecting to be intercepted by Israeli forces. That's good, because you were arguing against people who were saying exactly that. I'm glad you're now acknowledging that those posters were correct all along.

    I'm still baffled why you felt the need to lie through your teeth, telling us that the flotilla was risking their lives to deliver aid to Palestine. Can you tell us why you felt the need to do that? Did you think that we were all too stupid to realise that the flotilla never expected to make it to Palestine?

    I'm not sure its a good idea to undermine your credibility as a poster by posting lies like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Ah yes because condemning genocide is trite.

    Yes, it is. Bad things are bad. Filling a thread with that is absolutely trite. If you're capable of raising your game and posting some interesting analysis, then I'd be delighted to engage. But let me save you some time if you feel the need to just do your "do you want Ireland to win the match" level of analysis.

    Crimes are bad.

    That includes war crimes.

    I would like to see all criminals put on trial for their crimes.

    That includes war crimes.

    Now feel free to raise your game and post something that's actually interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The flotilla's purpose:

    "We are independent, international, and unaffiliated with any government. We assert that sovereignty over Palestinian land and water belongs solely to the Palestinian people. This movement is for the millions ready to demand accountability, confront complicity, and take direct action when institutions refuse to act."

    They carry aid to Gaza that has been requested and attempt to deliver it in accordance with law.

    That Israel illegally intercepted and detained them is highlighting Israel's illegality and Genocide. If Israel was not acting illegally, they would land in Gaza and deliver the aid.

    That they knew they were highly likely to be illegally detained in international waters is by-the-by. And of course, they got massive publicity, governments intervened and Israeli ambassadors were called to account when the Israeli convicted terrorist decided to get stuck into them. No-one could by that publicity - massive Israeli own goal.

    Likewise, the lads chucking tennis balls on the pitch in protest at the upcoming irl v is game got priceless publicity.

    Given the level of outrage about the protests, they're clearly working. Must really chap some peoples asses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Wrong.

    Ffs, how is this escaping you.

    The flotilla intended to deliver aid to Gaza, the flotilla knew they wouldn't succeed in doing so.

    And they, and you, and me, and everyone else knows why. And thats the problem.

    But you're ignoring that and treating this like its out of the DaVinci Code or something to avoid focusing on reality.

    Why is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The flotilla intended to deliver aid to Gaza, the flotilla knew they wouldn't succeed in doing so.

    That one sentence says it all. The first half and the second half cannot both be true. You either have poor English language comprehension, poor logical thinking, or are just lying. (I hope to jaysus you're not employed somewhere where people depend on your logical analysis skillset).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    That they knew they were highly likely to be illegally detained in international waters is by-the-by. 

    I agree with all the rest of you post, and have never said otherwise. However that "by-the-by" is exactly the point being discussed. Of course the knew damn well they were going to be intercepted. And of course that is entirely the point of what they were doing. So if a poster, knowing that, said that their intention was to deliver aid, then they were lying when they said that. The flotillas intention was to be intercepted, and get all the attendant publicity, exactly as you say. All the poster who were saying that were correct. Its the poster claiming their intention was to deliver aid who is in fact lying.

    The flotilla got exactly what they intended. It has been very effective in the short term. I suspect it will have similar long term affects as all the prior flotillas which did exactly the same thing previously (i.e. very little). Time will tell. Maybe this time will be different. Or maybe we'll repeat the whole thing in another few months.

    Similarly Hamas got exactly what they wanted when Israel reacted which such a huge level of force to Hamas' October 6 attack. In the short term it went to plan as intended. In the medium term it has been disastrous for them (and their allies).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed.

    The amount of petty squealing that's emanating from certain types shows the effect the flotilla's, etc are having.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You should step out of this conversation, you've embarrassed yourself enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I think you should worry more about your own credibility as a poster when your trying to argue two completely opposing points at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Did you not suggest Celtic would help the FAI recoup funds from the boycott? I'd be careful bringing up embarassing posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I suggested it as a potential option to make up the shortfall of losing game day revenue because one poster repeatedly insisted there was no way a boycott could be justified for that reason.

    Stop acting like I said it was going to happen as a matter of fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Changed your tune somewhat. You said Celtic would go for it, you even said there would be a TV deal and that the games would sell out. It got completely debunked by numerous people on here but you still pushed the idea as viable and refused to accept it was a dumb idea. Now your back tracking at the speed of light.

    Now, you and I both know it's not going to happen so its kinda irrelevant to the conversation.

    I never said anything about a boycott could be justified. I stated, backed up by the FAI CEO, that there would be serious Consequences for the FAI losing a home game game in the NL and the potential losses of TV money for boycotting home and away games which would equate to upto 25% of their annual income should it come to pass.

    ISrael won 1-0 tonight BTW



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