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Independent Ireland Party

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,060 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    They will need to convince more old FF and FG voters to at least transfer to them. Could see them do very well on 1st counts but lose out on a lot of seats via transfers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Right wing parties tend to be pro-immigration - small government, less restrictions, market forces etc etc. e.g. Thatchers UK and Reagans US.

    The far left i.e. communists/marxists tend to be anti-immigration. Historically places like the USSR, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Maos China were mono cultural anti-immigration. Today left wing countries like Cuba and DPRK are similar.

    As per 'Animal Farm", the left talks about inclusiveness, but in reality is the opposite once in power



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ireland has neither open borders nor unlimited immigration and it is difficult to take people seriously when they engage in such hyperbole.

    As to II, I imagine they'll go the way of most small independently minded parties. They'll implode into themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The right/far right in many countries are far away from libertarian ideas, nowadays. They are nationalist/populist. Maybe the new categories are inward and outward looking. II could do well in the next GE in rural Ireland.

    As a side, how does Michael Collins consider all the foreigners that have have settled in West Cork. Does he not want their votes, or will he let them all vote for Holly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    1. UKR refugees = no limits
    2. Bogus AS = no limits
    3. EU citizens = no limits
    4. Study visas = there are rules, but AFAIK no quantity limit
    5. Work visas = rules, and I think there are limits here?
    6. IRRP programme refugees = yes, limits

    So four of the six types of immigration have no limits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hundreds of bogus AS cross from England » Scotland » NI » RoI each week.

    There are no checks on that border.

    There isn't even one Garda on the train.

    Therefore, we have open borders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M


    How much does rural Ireland contribute to global emissions? And no I'm not from rural Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    The reason why they are forced out of Dublin is because the Government tries to limit Dublin’s growth. The NPF has attempted to limit Dublin to 25% of growth. This is bananas stuff but is a reaction to this Dublin is too big meme.

    The biggest difference the Govt can make on balanced growth is big ticket regional investment. As politics is involved though this is impossible as everyone wants an airport or whatever. Rural Ireland is also not in favour of this either.

    Cities take on a life of their own with natural growth factors that are sometimes hard to explain, that needs to be accepted by people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭spillit67


    For the most part being far left isn’t a pejorative term in Ireland.

    I do agree that there is a strong element of not calling out what their ultimate policies are though. PbP and most of the soft left will be very quick to jump out with labels on the “right” (ironically our government is a bland centrist as they come) but that in itself doesn’t seem to get challengers

    I find the PbP types face far more scrutiny when the economy is down or there is a threat like an EU referendum.

    For the most part, people in Ireland tend to vote for what they think sounds nice and don’t get engaged in ideological politics like in other countries. Similarly we don’t see an entrance or the professional or business class into politics except for when the country is feel the strain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Michael fitzmorris is as populist as they come And can be very aggressive in interviews particularly about bogs…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭mikep


    He's aggressive about bogs because his job before becoming a populist TD was bog removal, on an industrial scale…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    what’s your source for this claim……? 100’s each week wander into RoI via NI…..so once in NI what are the steps that he/she takes to claim Asylum in the RoI….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭scottser


    Anti-immigration, anti-Green, pro-farmer subsidies, anti-education, pro-Trump, pro-Israel, anti-'Woke' etc.

    They're just another bunch of chancers and grifters, sucking on the nipple of anti-EU money, stirring shite and jockeying for position in the race to the bottom. The 'acceptable' face of rural gombeenism.

    No thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,399 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think they're pro people getting as much money from the EU as possible, with as much latitude and agency as possible while still having refreshing access to the money spigot. But they also make good political capital out of lambasting EU directives and rules and regulations etc... So there's an element of having it both ways.

    The party's name is Independent Ireland - it's implicit they don't regard Ireland as being Independent. And when they say Ireland, they really mean rural Ireland where the negative perception that "we're being run from Brussels" is still popular and where they draw a lot of their support.

    So, TLDR: EU Money: yes please, even more of it, keep it coming. The EU as an institution: useless rules and regulation, destroying rural Ireland etc, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So essentially, they're a version of the UK's Tory party from about 15 years ago. Joy.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,399 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    You could say that, if you wanted to focus on the areas which are similar - of which there are some, for sure, but there's differences too. Independent Ireland are a definitely uniquely Irish strain of a wider ideological "movement". The ruralism of their message is very, very pronounced, in a way that it wasn't to quite the same extent with the Tory right of fifteen years ago IMO.

    I think there's a different conception of the EU in the minds of the Irish than the English. Most "anti EU" parties here will rail against it at any opportunity, but aren't stupid enough to actually want to leave it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks. This makes more sense than my comparison.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The BBB party in The Netherlands would be the nearest in another country. They may well have been the template for Michael Collins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I can reassure you that they or the leader of the party Michael Collins at least are not pro Israel. On everything else though they probably do piss off the far left, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.😉 As for rural "gombeenism", one of their candidates Noel Thomas did get the most number one votes in the most recent by election in Galway West.

    I suppose a Dublin 4 type might consider all of Galway City which is in that constituency as unsophisticated rural gombeens, but that shows us that the party and it's policies have appeal amongst urban voters. As much as the far left crowd over on Reddit would like us to believe otherwise.😉

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    They voted confidence in Simon Harris, are they independent or dependant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭midlander12


    The very first time he was in government formation negotiations, in 2016 after 2 years in the Dail, he was looking for a special arrangements that would benefit his own turf-cutting business, and flounced off when he was refused. A less subtle version of the Healy Raes, if such a concept is imaginable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,399 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I must say that's some interesting spin on Noel Thomas.

    Galway West is an interesting constituency. There's the City, but also a lot of it is quite rural too. Thomas got the majority of his support outside of the City.

    The fact that he did well, but still didn't get over the line doesn't prove that he's popular inside the city - just the opposite in fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Is that officially listed somewhere that the vast majority of his votes came from outside the city? The overall point is that he almost got elected. If you were to believe some of the people over on Reddit you'd swear that Noel Thomas had no chance in the election.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,160 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The candidate that got the most first preferences in Galway City was Helen Ogbu. The City makes up but part of the constituency, hence Thomas getting the highest FPV overall.

    edit: Connacht Tribune actually has Sean Kyne ahead in the city, by a single vote from Ogbu. Thomas was fourth. 12% of the city vote isn't something I'd be crowing about urban votes from.

    https://www.connachttribune.ie/news/bye-election-analysis-noel-thomas-was-most-popular-in-county-galway-kyne-and-ogbu-won-city-vote-8654545



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,399 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    About 75% - 80% of his first preferences came from outside the City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I think some people have lost track of the core issue here. You can obsess over semantics and what votes came from where etc, but Noel Thomas came close enough to getting over the line in Galway West. Obviously Reddit the Irish Reddit pages in particular would not exactly be renowned for quality political discussion and discourse etc.

    According to the vast majority of people there Noel Thomas and Independent Ireland had no chance in that election, and those people ended up having to wipe the eggs from their faces at the end of the day. I just think left wing voters the far left in particular incorrectly label the Independent Ireland party as far right imo.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I would not vote for them ….. borderline far right is where I'd put them …… not quite as bad as the National Party/Freedom Party/Identity Ireland/The Irish People/National Alliance/Anti Corruption Ireland/Ireland First brigade ….. but still holding what are extreme views ……

    Where did they come from ??? ….. mostly ex Fianna Fail or 'independent Fianna Fail' types identifying further right than normal Fianna Fail …… Richard O'Donoghue …. Michael Collins ….. Michael Fitzmaurice ….. they all come from that gene pool ….. add in disgruntled ex left wing RTE hacks who flipped right like Ciaran Mullooly …… and what you have are a band of bitter individuals with chips on their shoulders ……

    Anyone who supported the most extreme aspects of the April Fuel Protests to me is a threat to this country …… like everyone is right to protest about high prices and additional costs on fuel but no one has the right to block fuel depots/refineries/etc and trigger a Covid type lockdown …… Independent Ireland came out in force backing extremists during this protest …… Christopher Duffy in particular has history of extreme views …… and thus found themselves on same side as UK and part Irish far right activist Tommy Robinson ……

    All in all ….. not a party I would vote for or trust ……



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