Return Rubbish

It would be a waste of energy engaging further to be honest.

The thing is badly thought out nonsense.

Im not participating or supporting it,thats my choice.

This doesnt effect you,dont get upset about it.

You're right, it doesn't affect me. And I'm not upset, despite your insinuation that I am.

Your opinion on the scheme isn't based on anything tangible, though. Vibes, as the kids are wont to say. You are literally making up reasons out of thin air and using these fake scenarios as a reason not to engage with it. You are entitled to that opinion all you want, and you can take potshots at it all you want, but let's not pretend that it's based in reality when you're openly admitting that it's all in your head.

I can sit here and list off reasons why I don't think it's badly thought out nonsense, but I've a feeling it'll fall on deaf ears. Those reasons would at least be based on real world experience, at least. You've made your mind up, (before it even commenced I'd wager), without giving it a chance which, as I already mentioned, is a chronically Irish problem……"I don't like it so ?I'm going to piss all over it instead of giving it a fair crack of the whip". Same with the smoking ban. Same with the plastic bag levy. Same with the Dublin Bikes. Same with……….

The scheme has its issues, but it has been nothing short of a roaring success in what it set out to do.

I've called it out multiple times over the past year or so. It's the very definition of "attack the poster"……try to paint them as being angry, or irrational or somehow emotionally involved as a way of disputing their points. Cowardly and transparent as fcuk, is what it is.

Encourage the introduction of the billions of plastic bottles and cans that might not have made it into the recycling system, into their own, guaranteed recycling stream and lessen the impact on the environment. 3 billion containers retuned in 2 years, when there's no guarantee they would have made it into a green bin without the scheme, is a success in anybody's books. That's an average of about 500 per person, every year.

It used to be recycling. Now according to those same Re-Turn supporters it's collection.

You have proof of this, of course? For what it's worth, I'd argue they're both the same. Who the fcuk is collecting them and not recycling them?

Haha! " cowardly and transparent as fcuk".

If anybody could be accused of attacking the poster here its not me....

Youre getting too worked up and should relax.

Its everybody's choice whether to support this nonsense or not.Im choosing not to,you're choosing to collect dirty cans in your house and car.

Its not a big deal.

I wont respond again if you cant keep it civil.

Q.E.D………First off, I didn't say it about you, I said it about all the other times I've encountered it here over the past year or so. You were too eager to take umbrage though, for some reason……..a lesser poster than myself might put that down to you being angry, or upset, or worked up………

If anybody could be accused of attacking the poster here its not me....

Youre getting too worked up and should relax.

Define irony: claiming you're not attacking the poster, then attacking them in the very next breath……

Its everybody's choice whether to support this nonsense or not.Im choosing not to,you're choosing to collect dirty cans in your house and car.

Correct. I reserve the right, however, to point out that your experience is based on nothing but disdain from the scheme and my opinion is based on using it every week for the past 30 months or so. It is notable, however, that not once have you tried to defend your stance on this. By not arguing back, you are indirectly agreeing with what I'm saying.

Its not a big deal……I wont respond again if you cant keep it civil.

And here we go again, claiming that people are uncivil with SFA to back it up, literally trying to paint me as something I'm not because your entire argument is based on nothing but vibes, I pointed it out, and you have no way of countering my points other than to label me as someone who's losing their cool, when the opposite is true.

And where in these audits would such a thing come to light?

Lots of organisations with boards of directors, making 'regular reports' to a Minister, and with audited books tell porkies in their marketing spiels or their public lobbying.

Already on their own website they've mixed up recycling targets and collection targets.

So nope they don't have credibility here.

They've hired as their PR guy a FG councillor who just so happened to have lobbied for them to get VAT waived. Out of all the PR people they could have hired…
Even though they are already sitting on a massive surplus of tens of millions of unclaimed deposits.

They have the information, the onus is on them to back up their claims about whether what is collected is recycled, anything else is charter for corporate disinformation.

Give over. Does that mean if you ever queried a claim made by a company or government you were proposing a conspiracy theory?
Of course it doesn't.

Never heard of 'greenwashing'?
Is that a conspiracy theory?

It's hardly a conspiracy theory to question where the items collected end up and whether they are actually recycled.
Trying to shut down such concerns with shouts of whataboutery and conspiracy theories and vague references to audits and 'reports to Ministers' is really desperate stuff.

Return's own website falsely claimed that the scheme was brought in to meet EU recycling targets.
Nope, it was brought in to meet EU collection targets,

So Return itself don't seem that bothered about the distinction.
They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

So it is entirely reasonable to question Return's claims on this.