Independent Ireland Party

I’m always worried when so called ‘common sense’ and simple solutions to very complex issues are spouted by politicians…. the reality is things are much more nuanced and not as straightforward as might be seen … many of these guys know this well, but play to the gallery

I think they are going to gain a bucket load of seats in next election.

I very much agree with your outline of where they sit and also agree with you on the sinn fein thing too. I could almost have written your post myself.

FF and FG have hoodwinked nobody. They win power by convincing the Irish public to vote for them which they usually do.

Climate denial is fairly strong in rural Ireland. I'm not surprised that they're using this to try to win votes.

This is a big problem I have with them, indicative of their desire to hoodwink their electorate.

Independent in Irish politics has always referred to non-party affiliated politicians. By calling themselves Independent, there is a subconscious link with being non-affiliated and 'independent' in the words traditional political sense in Ireland, something they play up to their advantage.

I haven't met any of them and if they come calling at the next elections, I'll listen to them but I'm incredibly sceptical of them and their intentions, from what I can make of them online.

Show me one article on RTE where they have been labelled 'far right'.

Disappointed in you tbh. Thought you were more level-headed then to jump in two-footed like that.

The issue I have is of posters just making baseless, provocative claims like the one above which said 'RTE has labelled Independent Ireland 'far right'' with zero evidence to back it up.

I think they would go into government though, especially if it helped keep the likes of Soc Dems, Labour or the Greens out.

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I don't know what RTE have called them, but on Reddit forums, they are called far-right and racist.

Which of course they are not.

To want to move away from open borders unlimited immigration to more controlled immigration is a sensible, centrist policy.

How will paying more tax change the climate? Complete pseudo science. The Poles are inverting, NASA recognises it. It a cash grab. Then you have NGO's and Teachers spouting rubbish like "Zero Carbon" and "Carbon Neutral" with no background in science.

Irish infrastructure fails in storm conditions. We need our own back ups.

Because Thomas throws around the Ireland is Full far-right trope.

You said they label Independent Ireland as a party ‘far-right’ - what’s your evidence of this?

This argument that rural people have a right to live where they grew up really bothers me. People who grew up in urban areas don't have the same luxury.

A common talking point among people who simply don't want issues like immigration to be solved.

II are the other side of the PBP coin. To get an insight into it, the views expressed by Michael Collins in his Hotpress interview may give some clarity;

https://www.hotpress.com/opinion/independent-ireland-party-leader-michael-collins-23018312

Far-right means libertarian.

Wanting much lower public spending, much lower lower taxes, and a smaller welfare State.

Ten mins spent reading the II manifesto will tell you that they do not endorse these polices.

They don't want higher spending and taxes, okay.

Probably you could say they want slower growth in spending/taxes, or maybe flat spending/taxes.

I think some people are conflating nationalism with far-right economics.

I suspect some people want the same or more spending on welfare and housing (i.e. not far-right), but want it directed away from both legal and illegal immigrants and towards Irish people (i.e. nationalist).

If a party wants social housing reserved for Irish people, that is a nationalist policy, not a far-right policy.

A far-right policy would mean leaving housing to the market, with much less State intervention.

So I suspect most of those bonkers micro parties are more correctly labelled and categorised as nationalist parties, rather than far-right economically libertarian parties.