Is Irelands neutrality stance in WW2 unfairly criticized? (see Mod note 217)

They were not different quotes, you were shown where you edited out the line from he same quote. You were caught lying about it.

I never said anything about murdering Jews, you just made that up!

Dev did not murder anyone. There were 15 executions carried out in Ireland at that time. You only seem to care out the ones that you think prove a point.

Did Dev know about those sailors? They were members of the British Merchant Navy not the Irish Merchant Navy like you claimed.

The second quote was not from the same source : check the link given with the first quote.

I did not claim which merchant navy the Irish merchant sailors were in. They were Irish merchant sailors and because they were Irish they were separated from the British and asked to work for Germany. When they refused they were made to anyway, and thrown in to Nazi slave concentration camps.

Did the government here or school not tell you about "Hitler's Irish Slaves". They were called that based on the horrific conditions and forced labor they endured for their neutrality, which they would not have had to endure if they were British.

Wrong about what Dev did know or should have known. Three weeks before Dev went to sympathise with the Nazi party member Hempel over Hitler's suicide, the following happened:

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"General Dwight D. Eisenhower's visit to the Ohrdruf concentration camp in April of 1945 drew great interest from the American public. His tour of the camp helped generate a massive publicity campaign to expose the crimes of the Nazi regime to the world. The flood of reports that filled Western newspapers and magazines following Eisenhower's visit shocked Americans with grisly details about the Nazi camp system"

You miss the point. You implied Dev did not know about the death camps.

I pointed out : Three weeks before Dev went to sympathise with the Nazi party member Hempel over Hitler's suicide, the following happened:

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"General Dwight D. Eisenhower's visit to the Ohrdruf concentration camp in April of 1945 drew great interest from the American public. His tour of the camp helped generate a massive publicity campaign to expose the crimes of the Nazi regime to the world. The flood of reports that filled Western newspapers and magazines following Eisenhower's visit shocked Americans with grisly details about the Nazi camp system"

Plenty of links

You said he 'murdered' then lied that you hadn't said it.

YOU lied, nobody else did.

Trying to deflect to Thatcher Sinn Fein etc just makes you look more desperate.

In relation to jews and the holocaust, that is what we were talking about.

Did did have some IRA in Irish jail executed, even though he did have the power to stop that. But he chose not to. Those men did not want to die and were killed by bullets fired by others : they did not die by suicide on hunger strike or anything like that.

Did the government here ever ask Hempel, the Nazi party rep about the Irish merchant sailors who died in the Nazi slave concentration camps? You can argue if 22 out of the 50 Irish captured seamen were killed , died or were murdered by being worked to death in the Nazi slave concentration camps.

You are the one who claim I edited quoted. Show me who the quotes were from. The 2 sentences were not from the same person or link. If you think the 2 sentences were from the same person or link, show the person or link. You are clutching at straws.

You were the one telling lies like claiming I said "half" etc.

I asked you did the government here or school not tell you about "Hitler's Irish Slaves"? They were called that based on the horrific conditions and forced labor they endured for their neutrality, which they would not have had to endure if they were British.

Did I say who the sentences were from? I generally use links - did I say even the 2 sentences were from a link? If so, what was the link? Do wake up and stop diverting because you find what happened to Hitlers Irish Slaves uncomfortable.

At the end of the day, practically no Jews were allowed in to Ireland before or during the war. In 1948 there were 100 Jewsalloed in for one year only on condition they left after one year and the Jewish community looked after them.

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"From 1933 when the German Legation in Dublin dismissed their Jewish secretary Mrs Simon, the Jewish community in Ireland knew of the impending dangers of Nazi power. The Irish government was aware of the raging antisemitism but like so many other countries, closed its doors to desperate refugees fleeing Nazi Europe. Appeals were made as early as 1933 by former Chief Rabbi Herzog and Robert Briscoe to the Taoiseach Éamon De Valera and the Chief Justice to grant entry to individuals but permission was denied".

"After the war, some German and Austrian Jews sought refuge in Ireland but most were not permitted to stay for long. The government eventually gave permission for 100 Jewish children survivors from Czechoslovakia to stay for one year. They were known as the "Clonyn Castle " children."

That's your first post.

Nobody said or suggsted we let in 100,000 but the fact remains "The Irish government was aware of the raging antisemitism but closed its doors to desperate refugees fleeing Nazi Europe."

Yes, I know we let in 100 Jewish children for a year in 1948 provided they only stay for a year and provided the Jewish community here looked after them for that year.

That's your second post.

You even put quote marks around it.

You were caught editing the quote and are now trying to wriggle out of it.

Most of the time when talking about Dev's and the IRA me executed in Irish jails , I just said they were execuated or something. He had the power to pardon them but did not. I let it slip once that the IRA me were murdered in that they were shot dead against their will. Maybe to say a prisoner was murdered by firing squad is a bit strong. However, you as a SF supporter had a t-shirt in the S.F. online shop calling Thatcher a murderer, and SF people have often accused Thatcher of being a murderer. The people shot by bullets had no choice to die or not, they were not on hunger strike, they did not die by suicide. They ha no choice, they wanted to live. Yet your comrades in SF have often said that Thatcher murdered the hunger strikers?

I also wrote Dev had the constitutional authority to commute, excuse, or pardon the sentences of IRA men executed during WW2. Dev had the power to prevent these deaths but chose not to.

Of course, Dev did try to interfere in the sentencing and execution of Tom Williams, who was executed in Crumlin Road in Belfast in Sept 1942, for the murder of a Catholic RUC constable during an IRA operation in Belfast.

I'll withdraw the word I used "murdered" and use the word executed so.

Now answer my question:

Did the government here ever ask Hempel, the Nazi party rep about the Irish merchant sailors who died in the Nazi slave concentration camps? Were 22 out of the 50 Irish captured seamen killed or murdered by being worked to death in the Nazi slave camps?

I asked you did the government here or school not tell you about "Hitler's Irish Slaves"? They were called that based on the horrific conditions and forced labor they endured for their neutrality, which they would not have had to endure if they were British.

The records were only released in 2015.