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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ireland played 5 friendlies in the last 3 years. More than twice those'd played by Israel.

    Speaks volumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    FAI as a UEFA member have signed up to the Nations league. The TV deal from 2022 to 2028 is worth approx €3,000,000,000

    Each iteration of the nations league is worth about €10,000,000 to the FAI for a block of 6 games. The FAI cannot pick and choose who they play and expect to receive the money. In 2020, TV companies received something like €200,000,000 refund from the Premier league in England because the season was truncated because of Covid and the number of games broadcast had to be cut which tells you something about how the TV Broadcasters view things, they want what they paid for.

    UEFA have already dealt with the FAI motion to ban Israel. You dont agree with the decison but its been made. So as far as UEFA are concerned Israel have not broken any rules would be my understanding. Now maybe that decison has been influenced by political interference. Who knows.

    If the FAI boycott the two games, there will be serious consequences. Financial implications will be pretty significant. UEFA wont pre-empt any potential sporting sanctions but even if there is none, Ireland will likely drop down a tier in the next round of nations league and qualifiers for Euro 2028 which will likely cost the association some significant money again. Football prize money works on a tier, highest ranked team gets the most, lowest ranked team gets the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Thanks for the correction.

    Five friendlies in 3 years - same as Ireland (I think).

    Georgia, Lithuania, Slovakia Hungary and Belarus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Israel have played 5 friendlies

    Hungary

    Belarus

    Slovakia

    Lithuania

    Georgia

    They have another next Wednesday too

    So no, you havent looked it up properly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    yep - the formatting and colour coding on the photo caught me out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But the Nations League isn't friendly so whats the relevance of the failed comparison that "speaks volumes"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    That was before you kindly pointed out my error PJ. So my comparison falls flat on its face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Ireland's motion on Israel to UEFA failed, it was defeated, there is no open question for UEFA about Israel, it has been decided that they should continue to participate. Given that there has been a ceasefire in Gaza since that decision, I cannot see how it can be overturned.

    That puts the FAI in a very awkward position. If they continue with their boycott, they will be defying the democratic ruling that UEFA have made. The minimum punishment is that Ireland lose six points and minus six goal difference to Israel. However, the punishment could be far worse. Take for example, the stupid SF motion in the Dail. If there is political interference in a football association, the punishment is suspension from all competitions. This has happened regularly enough throughout FIFA history. If the FAI boycott, on the back of a Dail motion, we could see the end of international football for several years and the loss of Euro 28. FAI would likely go bankrupt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whatever about calling for a boycott months and months and months ago when the conflict was raging and when Israel was doing a lot of damage, but what is it with us still banging this boycott drum, when Israel and Gaza are far better now, albeit so much to do still? Ceasefire is in place! We are obsessed!!! I reckon if Gazans told us to play and to reach out, we'd still be wanting a boycott. It's like Ireland's lil battle with the big bad colonizer!!!!

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Israel and Gaza are far better now, albeit so much to do still? Ceasefire is in place!

    IN Report from three days ago: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/05/1167610

    At least 26 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip since Tuesday…

    The office noted that Israeli forces have killed 922 Palestinians in attacks since the announcement of the ceasefire in October…

    Nearly the entire population remains displaced and concentrated “into a progressively narrower strip of land”, with multiple displacement orders issued in recent days…

    You are beyond deluded. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Is the situation far better now as regards fighting-killing or not? Is there a ceasefire? Nobody is saying all is rosy…..of course it is not. Huge amounts of work to be done, and people between now and then will still die. Nobody is saying otherwise….

    Nothing deluded other than people here still obsessed with banging the boycott the match drum, which they absolutely know won't have any effect on relations in Gaza. It's in our heads this foreign conflict…we can't shake the stupidity!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Jimmy's grand now, because the cannibals have stopped eating him.

    🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,005 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yet there is no seasefire in reality, why are you lieing?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    There was a discussion about this at our club at the weekend, and I was surprised by how many people were questioning the boycott. From listening to the media and reading forums like this you'd swear there was unquestionable support for it. The general understanding seemed to be that, at a minimum, we would likely face a points deduction and negative goal difference. Given the current standard of the team, that could easily contribute to relegation, which further damages our prospects in future competitions.

    That has wider consequences too. Rankings matter. They affect qualification pathways, seedings, and our ability to attract friendlies against elite opposition. These things have both sporting and financial implications. Some of the suggestions put forward to deal with those consequences by those supporting the boycott without question were, frankly, fanciful. If the political interference we are seeing escalates further and the footballing authorities are forced to act, then the financial consequences for the FAI, and the reputational consequences for Irish football, would be severe.

    One particularly sensible contributor raised a question that nobody seemed keen to answer: if we boycott these games, is this a one-off, or does it become the policy going forward? What happens if we draw Israel again in a future qualifying campaign, Euro 2028 qualifying for example, which is entirely possible given our ranking? What happens if another country becomes the subject of political opposition? Once that precedent is established, where exactly is the line drawn?

    Whether you support a boycott or oppose it, those are questions that deserve serious answers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    There are no answers to those questions from those calling for a boycott. There is some kind of collective mania around the issue of Gaza that I don't understand. Those calling for a boycott don't appear to have considered any implications beyond their own virtue-signalling.

    They are happy for others to put their livelihoods at risk, but not their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We could always leave UEFA and join the AFC. An Israeli boycott would be much more welcome by most of their membership. Our chances of progressing to the World Cup in 2030 would also greatly improve and it's not like we'd be the first country to switch to a different confederation…

    Your keen contributor made a good point… We literally played against the team representing the state of Qatar the other day and Dublin Airport made a big song and dance about seeing the Qatari team off to the World Cup on their social media

    Can we in good conscience boycott Israel while at the same time being so welcoming to Qatar?

    And, yes, I see the contradiction between my 2 points. My point about joining the AFC was largely in jest and riddled with sarcasm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    And in our case, the very people who moan endlessly about the FAI not investing in grassroots football, not being able to attract better sponsorship deals and corporate sponsorship, not being able to fill the Aviva out regularly etc, are the very people who are supporting the boycott without question. Good look filling the Aviva for a games against Luxembourg, Moldova and Belarus, or would a game against the later not be subject to a boycott?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    The most effective route of avoiding Israel would be to insist that Asian countries play in the AFC, not UEFA.

    While there are different opinions on where the border between Europe and Asia is, there are several very clearly geographically Asian countries in UEFA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Ah, yes, the Aviva Stadium.

    https://www.alhaq.org/publications/26050.html

    "Key findings reveal that major insurers, including Allianz, Aviva, AIG and AXA, underwrite and invest millions of dollars in “defence” companies selling equipment to Israel. These investments enabled the genocide in Gaza, continue to sustain violent ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Palestine, and facilitate the development and deployment of lethal weaponry around the world."

    Let's hand back the sponsorship money as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    The word 'insist' suggests a level of authority not obviously present here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They are happy for others to put their livelihoods at risk, but not their own.

    When people literally put their lives at risk trying to get aid to Palestine on the flotilla, all you guys dismissed that as a pointless exercise.

    There's nothing anyone could say here that make any of change your view on this topic. As for answering those questions, they are all based on "what ifs" based on what "could" happen.

    With respect to setting a precedent, how about yes, whenever a country is enacting a genocide on the people of another country they are trying to take over, we don't entertain them in what is literally "a game".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That's because it was a pointless exercise that the selfie flotilla lads knew was pointless, and knew would never reach Gaza, and knew that they'd be intercepted and released quickly; but it still gave them the chance to make up nasty "we were tortured" claims against Israel, and all this deceptively accepted and believed by the boycott Israel brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    If being intercepted, processed, and sent home is "literally risking your life", then airport security must be a near-death experience in your world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    How is bring aid to people who need it, pointless?

    If you have a cut on your finger, is it pointless to give you a bandaid?

    You're really revealing your through colours saying they made up nasty "we were tortured" claims?

    Who is deceptively accepting things when they are ignoring the evidence of their eyes to agree with the those literally carrying out the genocide. An incredible statement to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    "Intercepted and sent home" is quite the statement

    Tell me, how many airport securities are familiar with that use chemical irritant on people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    They weren't bringing aid anywhere…..they were sailing knowing full well they weren't getting near Gaza, and a few milk cartons and bikkies doesn't change this. And I think you know this, like everyone else, but won't admit it. As for their torture claims…..you don't believe this either. They were absolutely not tortured, unless hands tied to restrain is now torture. And I am revealing my true colors. The colors that don't see me stupidly-blindly fooled by the selfie flotilla bullshit claims



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Nobody on the flotilla was ever at risk of losing their lives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Unless they actually were allowed enter Gaza!!!



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