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    #59822
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516717#Comment_124516717

    You, a pro-Israel poster stating -

    Iran and Russia don't care about human rights, international
    co-operation or any of the other values you refer to.

    Israel actually has legalised torture, has been colonising the occupied territories since 1967, with dire consequences for the inhabitants, has been systematically been brutalising the Palestinians in its custody, killing 5 civillians out of every 6 killed in Gaza.



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    #59823
    bored65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭bored65


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516717#Comment_124516717

    Yeh but have you heard it’s all the fault of the “west” /s

    The self pitying and self flagellation on the far left is hilarious altogether, must be awful hard to walk around with such large self imposed crosses on their shoulders

    The same far left that doesn’t want us to spend on military and harps on about neutrality but then expects the “west” to intervene in these medieval feuds



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    #59824
    Miniegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516651#Comment_124516651

    I'm sure you do SeanW, but by doing so at the cost of everything else you miss the point.

    Human rights institutions weren't created to tell us who the good guys are or to be abandoned when "your team" are threatened. They were created to be immovable and to scrutinise what states actually do regardless of sides. Due to this, I don't agree they changed or are being abused.

    It could imo only ever be authoritarians, left or right, who would be against the ideas behind these rights.

    Hamas and Hezbollah being threats does not make Israels genocide campaign acceptable - it is wild you would defend their actions because they are on "your side" - which is what exactly? I'm not asking you what you are against - what are you actually for? It genuinely isn't clear to me.

    And you really should acknowledge that the principles of human rights were brought about first of all by right wing conservatives in Europe - not leftists - precisely because they had seen what happened when states were given unlimited licence in the name of security

    The very thing you are arguing for imo spits in the face of actual conservatism and puts our prosperity in the last 80 years at the feet of the left.

    Post edited by Miniegg on


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    #59825
    Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516651#Comment_124516651

    You've never answered the question, do you think that Arabs generally, and Muslims specifically, are human beings worthy of protection under International Law?

    Edit: do you even think they are human?



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    #59826
    Roman Emperor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Roman Emperor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124514233#Comment_124514233

    Any "Israeli" coins from 1927 ?

    Or 1947 ?

    Screenshot 2026-05-31 121909.png


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    #59827
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516736#Comment_124516736

    Yet your genocide narrative, as far as I can see, involves pretending that Iran, its proxies and worldwide web of allies, don't exist, or at least handwaving them away as somehow irrelevant. Because under the definition of genocide, you have to pretend that Israel is using violence just for kicks and giggles.

    The defintion follows here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Genocide_Convention

    That is to say that TWO elements are required:

    1. Any or all of the 5 prohibited acts.
    2. The intent to destroy a group.

    I.E. just because bad things are happening, that does not make it genocide. The case would be much easier, in my view, if Israel was not fighting mortal enemies (e.g. the CRINKs and their proxies). The fact that the Ayatollah's have made it their mission to destroy Israel, and that they have surrounded Israel with proxy groups to carry out this mission, means in my view that Israel is within its rights to use violence to solve the problem - as every belligerent in every conflict in human history has done.

    Also, as far as I am concerned, the involvement of a CRINK power links this conflict to others, e.g. Russia vs. Ukraine, and other wars they might start or proxies they might use to stir up trouble. My view on each conflict is the same.

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    #59828
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516815#Comment_124516815

    Who called it "Palestine?" Were the countries that attacked Israel in '47 looking to create a "Palestine?" Where was Yasser Arafat from?

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    #59829
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516796#Comment_124516796

    Of course they are human 😯 what kind of question is that?

    The problem is that their governments or those in charge of their countries (Hamas in the case of Gaza and Hezbollah in the case of Southern Lebanon) took their territories to war. Historically, when bad things happen as a result, we blame the people who started the wars. Yet when it comes to the worlds' only Jewish state, we blame the country that was attacked?

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    #59830
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516868#Comment_124516868

    I don't have to pretend anything. Israel is an apartheid state. Israels actions in the West Bank and the rest of the occupied territories make it the aggressive actor. Israel runs a brutal prison regime for Palestinian prisoners. Israel has displaced and killed enough Gazans to an extent that it is committing genocide.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516885#Comment_124516885

    …and back to route one again.



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    #59831
    Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516885#Comment_124516885

    It's an obvious question given that you couldn't care less how many of them are killed and/or for what reason. You've demonstrated this time and time again.



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    #59832
    Roman Emperor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Roman Emperor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516873#Comment_124516873

    Arafat was born in Egypt.

    Arafat's father was a Palestinian from Gaza City - his mother was from Jerusalem.

    David Ben-Gurion (real name Grun), the settler colonial entity's first prime-minister was born in Plonsk, Poland.

    Of Ben-Gurion's first cabinet, only one member was actually born in the territory of Palestine.

    The rest were squatters and interlopers from the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire or the German Empire.

    An invasive species oppressing the indigenous people who inhabited the territory for generations.



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    #59833
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,480 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517195#Comment_124517195

    christ you still at it after getting Bibi details wrong yesterday. Come back to reality lad



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    #59834
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516885#Comment_124516885

    Depends how you would define human i guess. I find it hard to side with anyone who would act like this which is why I am fairly ambivalent on the subject.

    If that was one of my daughters, those responsible would be begging for a bullet because I would give them a taste of their own medicine but over an extended period of time. Funnily enough, Israel are doing that and they don't like it.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/2061220043715690529


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    #59835
    Ozymandius2011
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516651#Comment_124516651

    Israel complains of people using words about its destruction. But Israel is actually destroying Palestine and its neighbours. I think destructive actions are worse than destructive words.

    The PLO removed the destruction of Israel from its Charter decades ago. These repetitive slogans about how compromise would lead to destruction have echoes of the most paranoid ramblings of Ian Paisley during the height of the Northern Ireland Troubles. When Catholics were being burned out of their homes in Belfast in 1960s/70s, he said it was actually petrol bombs stored by Catholic priests. Likewise Israel tars everyone in Palestine whose home is destroyed as a Hamas terrorist.

    Honestly we have heard this sort of thing before. The same rabble rousing as coming from Ben Gvir and Smotrich. They are the Paisley's of Israel from the 1970s. Fortunately Paisley eventually saw the light and compromised, but not until the people of NI rejected his advice to reject the Good Friday Agreement. I hope Smotrich and Ben Gvir do likewise but I doubt it.



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    #59836
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517209#Comment_124517209

    Are you actually insane?

    Do you know how many innocent civilians Israel has killed since the Hamas terrorist attack? Do you know how many children they have murdered? How should their families react? Get a grip of yourself and show some level of balance.

    Only muslims.

    This talk of a "Hamas government", it's just waffle. The country is in complete ruins, there are very few buildings standing. It's complete chaos. The Gazans just want to survive another day. The IDF said that Hamas are no longer a threat and all their leaders are dead. And yet Israel is still starving innocent people. Malnutrition is rife. Honestly get some perspective.

    Why are the international press still banned?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #59837
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517219#Comment_124517219

    I am perfectly balanced. I do not care one way or the other.



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    #59838
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517233#Comment_124517233

    I see that and I admire your openness. I didn't realise Ireland had so many sociopaths.

    Honest question - are you Islamophobic?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #59839
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517241#Comment_124517241

    Define islamaphobic? Like my daughter had a fairly horrendous experience last year on work placement where those of a certain background refuse to engage with her because of her gender. Openly blanking a 17 year old.

    Ive Had people from Islamic countries/backgrounds who live local to me tell me and my wife that we should be more respectful of where we walk our dogs because they don't like them.

    So no, I dont particularly have any respect for these people. If they want social norms they are used to, they can take a one way flight out of Dublin Airport.

    Sociopath? Well wide of the mark there.



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    #59840
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517255#Comment_124517255

    You could just answer the question.

    Let me put it another way. If the 20,000 Gazan children killed were Christian, would you care more?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #59841
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517263#Comment_124517263

    No. Israel, Palestine, dont care. Has nothing to do with religion, ethnicity, skin colour or anything else. Simply do not care.



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    #59842
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517270#Comment_124517270

    Yet here you are.

    I don't believe your answer for a second.

    Great story above though. Why not just accept your feelings?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #59843
    Ozymandius2011
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517270#Comment_124517270

    Do you also condemn Christian and Jewish extremists who are always invading Muslim countries, creating millions of refugees? Because that is a big part of the growth of Islam in the West.



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    #59844
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517278#Comment_124517278

    Nope. Don't care

    Can we get back on topic please. I was warned previously for going off topic.



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    #59845
    Paddy_Mag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517276#Comment_124517276

    I do not care. Cannot be any clearer then that.



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    #59846
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,992 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517283#Comment_124517283

    You were crystal clear Paddy. At least you were semi honest/open unlike some who slink in from time to time.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #59847
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516419#Comment_124516419

    Ah - ok.

    I'll just go look for the strongly worded press release from Zara to say they're nothing to do with Zara.

    Nope - press has approached Zara for comment. Still waiting.

    But I did come across this:

    "Both the Zara store in Belfast (Donegall Place) and Zara stores in Israel operate under the same global parent company Inditex."



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    #59848
    Roman Emperor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Roman Emperor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124517219#Comment_124517219

    Why are the international press still banned?

    That's easy - Israel needs to clean up the crime scene before allowing journalists into the territory.

    Israel's treatment of the Western flotilla abductees in broad daylight and in full view of the international community should be enough to help us grasp what they can do to Gazan hostages under cover of anonymity and impunity.



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    #59849
    wildgreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    President Trump, following his previous direct discussions with Hamas in 2025, is now in direct discussions with Hezbollah.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-says-he-had-very-good-call-hezbollah-end-all-shooting-lebanon



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    #59850
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516868#Comment_124516868

    The defintion follows here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Genocide_Convention

    That is to say that TWO elements are required:

    Any or all of the 5 prohibited acts.

    The intent to destroy a group.

    Indeed - a UN commission (plus tons more organisations) did in fact find Israel have committed Genocide.

    Of course, the ICJ has the definitive legal decision to make - so let's let it run its course and see.

    And the ICC cases too.



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    #59851
    wildgreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124516630#Comment_124516630

    Do you mean the response by Palestine against the theft of its homeland by the British, UN, and Israel? If someone broke into your house and decided to live there, would you just walk away and be thankful to the squatters if you were allowed to bring a few of your possessions with you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba



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