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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Not directly. 2012 had a few sporting events but was a wet summer. We were giving away weanlings that back end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I’ve never saw a 20-30c increase linked to the WC or Euros. Typically the price peaks in May June every year but I’d equate that to the drop in supply more than the football tournaments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Wille is on my train of thought (on bord bia and the Mill) albeit I would have questioned their ability to market our beef into Italy and France at almost 8e a kg and a world shortage. They had these markets at their disposal since 1973 (EU entry) Its an absolute disgrace, folks we are heading for a base price of 5.60 this autumn. The cartel are taking in huge volume of southern hemisphere beef making a killing and displacing Irish beef in the UK (some well proven to be cancer aiding by use of hormones and antibiotics in the meat).

    There must be a total independent agency to market Irish beef. That icbf 60e in order to get Bord Bia qa must go its only subsidised a quango who's no function in Irish beef sales.

    Im not calling for a beef protest but im calling for something that upsets providence and that hurts the cartel more.i said before and ill say it again you think you are not in a good place now, see where are in the autumn. The procurement managers (most un educated) are doing a right job for their masters just like the beef protests.

    We can all play the sustainability game, grass fed, distance to slaughter et al but we can expose it in equal measure. If there's a back up of beef in chills thats their problem, not ours. Its very obvious that they are very one demention in marketing Irish beef, no initiative or are they….

    300 odd thousand cattle left these shores last year the same in in 1981 the figures don't add up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Thesmallfarmer


    Willy and Larry will always only look out for themselves. Irish politics is rotten to the core.God help you if you think anyone from Ffg will be the saviour of Irish beef farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    see in the uk, drought is decimating their crops. Some winter crops are gone past rescue and some spring crops are really struggling. I’d be guessing that will lead to higher feed prices, which will lead to a lot more culling, which will lower beef prices here. I don’t like publicly talking down the beef trade but would others be agree/disagree with my thoughts?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,860 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    A little but US Corn prices will always dictate world prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 stevieg2


    Willie is a decent man. Pity there isn’t more like him in the dail instead of those d4 solicitor types



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭tanko


    How did he vote in the Mercursor trade deal vote????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    he comes across well in fairness but when he was railing on Larry murrin in feb he still voted with the government to keep him in charge of bird Bia - something I would have no problem saying to his face if I was in his area. So is this all for show to keep him elected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 suckler2025


    Willie loves a bit of grand standing and chest beating. All optics. The same lad was roaring and shouting at Murrin in the oriachtas and in the same week voted confidence in him to remain as Board Bia chair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    The grain companies go down to the ports and fill up cheap southern hemisphere grain, if every crop failed in these islands it wouldn't make an iota of a difference.

    On the flip side that benefits the farmer who feeds meal but the tillage guy is after getting some battering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Well he's better than Haydon, he has never done a single thing to help Irish farmers. Yes he announced TAMs, tb schemes bla bla bla. The Secretary General could announce those there no need for a minister to get them over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I sound like a hippy from the 1970s, the big boys aren't at a loss if cheap imported beef or grain hits their markets. Its set up that they are the only ones to process it anyway. JBS didn't go over to Tesco and say do you want cheap beef. The Irish beef baron went to Tesco and said i know where I can get you cheap beef.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭grass10


    Heydon did 1 thing he backed murrin 100% to continue importing beef from Brazil and collapse the Irish and UK beef markets when we have a world shortage of beef yet the retail price is at all time high price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    I’m afraid it will still be used as an excuse to lower beef prices though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem is not Brazilian beef its the NZ and Australian beef that is imported into the UK we are competing against. The EU uses about 7 million tons of beef a year. Mercour ports will be 100k tons or about 1.5% of the market. The whole lot is not comings into Ireland.

    The issue in the UK is Ausyralian and NZ beef its hitting 16-18% of imports to the uk market at the moment Brazilian beef is also entering the UK direct from Brazil and is making up 8% of beef imports so about 25% of Beef in the UK.is non EU at the moment

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Thesmallfarmer


    Are you joking that there is only 100k tons of Brazilian beef imported into the EU annually. Ffg are allowing 100k without any tariff .

    Now a man of your expertise can you actually tell us how much extra Brazilian beef is imported into the UK by Irish beef companies and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭grass10


    Who do you think is importing Brazilian beef ? I'll give you a hint it could be the crowd your giving cattle next week to they are supplying enough to displace a tiny bit of irish beef in foreign markets and it's ensuring that demand for any extra irish beef is not there, the beef barons are making millions every week out of this cut the irish and uk farmer price every week and supply a few containers of dirt from Brazil if we are short x tons each week and sell for a high price their is no indication of any drop in selling price of beef in fact the opposite has happened in the first 4 months this year in the UK avg price of all retail beef is up 14.7% since Jan 1 2026

    Mr murrin admitted to importing Brazilian beef and according to mep mullolly Brazilian beef is coming into antwerp port then going to UK and Ireland the EU commissioner told him and the EU want to ban this product as it's so dangerous for human health yet the Irish beef barons have Irish govt backing to bring this in

    Their is no mystery man importing Brazilian Australian or nz beef to UK or Europe the Irish beef barons are heavily involved and the 1 thing they are afraid of is protests

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Last year we imported approx 175 tons that os 175 tone not 175k tons of Brazilian beef into Ireland, Argentinian beef has nearly double that volume. In total we imported about 40,000 tons 99% of it from other EU countries or the UK. Previous it was 37k tonnes. Most beef imported to Ireland is from the UK and NI.

    Now last year we had the highest price we ever recieved for beef. Are Irish processors importing Brazilians or Mercour beef into Ireland yes but not in the quantities many think.

    The main problem we face is we are being displaced on UK supermarkets shelves by imports from Australia, NZ and Brazilian beef. The beef is imported directly into the UK as in the case of Australian and NZ beef its tarriff free up to about 50k tonnes. Brazil had a Hilton quota of 7.5k tonnes tarrif free.

    Is Brazilian beef being relabeled as Irish. Highly unlikely as DNA tests would prove it from Nelore breeding so Supermarkets would have strict labeling conditions sine they got caught with the horse meat scandal.

    Australian and NZ beef is different you would need to genetic test back to bull level to prove if it was relabbled. Are the Irish processors importing beef from Australia and NZ into the UK. Yes they are as there customers are requesting it. If they did not would these imports stop. No because they have about 50% of the UK processing capacity. If they stopped the business would transfer to these other processors.

    Do I like it no, but I am a realist the UK has signed free trade agreements which allows this beef in so someone is going to import it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A lot of UK farms are integrated system where grain grown on the farm is usedbin either fattening or milk production. The question is what these farms do now as crop failure by drought is not usually an issue

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    that’s what I’m wondering too, if they start offloading cattle or milkers it could lessen demand in the uk. Or will they just buy more imported grain and keep the system going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Its a hard one. Buying grain has to budgeted. Into there system. Crop failure wil cause a dent in there cashflow if they were selling some. On some of them.farms they use 500-1k ton of grain on the farm @220/ ton its a 100-200k bill

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭grass10


    I'm not sure we're you are getting your information about drought in the UK this year they have drought every year but this year so far is one of their best grass growing years in a long time remember the winter rain in the British Isles only finished 6 weeks ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think you would want to google it. They had the driest April in record in the UK. Even here in Ireland parts of the eastern half of the country got ery lite rainfall compared to what we got in the SW

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    Are we back 10 again this week?

    Or is everyone in the beef on vacation for the bank holiday weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Yes that is what I am hearing. Significant numbers still in sheds. Local favoured finishers has the shed full still and cattle on hrass fit to go as well. They will only be used to stop or slow a price rise in a couple weeks time

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭morphy87


    how long more should the shed cattle be around for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Obviously different in parts of the UK going by the funky farmer has his silage clamp full to the brim while last year his was buying in fodder.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Thesmallfarmer


    Cows are back to tops of 5.80 , Usually peak price for cows is in June . Alot of years price for cows hold into July +august .This year it could be facing 5.00 in the backend if the rot continues



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