Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

That sounds like "We can have a discussion/conversation about immigration but"

And that in itself is a myth saying employers can't recruit from abroad because of housing. Recruit for what jobs? When there is a lot of young people who can't get a job including minimum wage job s. We imported a lot of non EU to work in Supervalu or the likes while local kids can't get a job now. People finishing college sending hundreds of cvs out to get a job. I am curious what are these skills that cannot be found in Ireland? What IT... Oh ooppsie there has been lots of layoffs in that area. What kind of skills do we need to import from Congo or India that us with higher education as a country can't supply?

Why do you keep making assumptions about people? Is it you goal to be a WUM, get people banned or just have the thread closed?

Unfortunately to a full and frank discussion on immigration it will need to include everyone in it whether you like it or not. For me the margins of the left and the right are as bad as each other as we have seen with the behavior of public representatives like Coppinger and Murphy looking to spread hate as much as those on the right.

This tells you everything you need to know. Denmark government statistics.

Stark statistics it has to be said.

Interesting to see how often the poor downtrodden Palestinians show up in those stats. Great advertisment for their campaign for statehood.

What they say is partly true but it is very much from the point of view of their own interests. The employer may want, for example, to bring someone over from India to work in Dublin. But rents and prices are sky high here. The worker can go to some other country. Maybe make slightly less in salary but have a better quality of life and save more because they are paying less in accommodation and other prices. The employer then complains to the press that we haven't been building enough houses.

But if Ireland started producing more housing, more workers could be brought in and thus rents and prices driven up again. This is great for the employer but not for the local person trying to buy or rent as things never get solved.

Therefore a limit on migration based population growth needs to be put in place. Immigration needs to be focused on the needs of the country, not merely employers (though their views need to be heard and taken into account).

I agree with your main point. We do have these skills in Ireland, but we pander to employers who would rather recruit from the entire World with little or no restriction. This is not the normal way things are done internationally.

Its not the fact that the skills aren't here they are, the problem is cost. Why hire an Irish person when you could hire 2 or 3 from other countries for the cost of an irish employee

My experience has been the opposite. The Indian hires we had were way more demanding on the wage front then the Irish people. For example Indian girl was promoted in my team, she was susported all along and given opportunities and received 11k as hike in her salary, minutes later she is demanding 22 k hike in her salary, totally out of touch with the market may I add.

My point is Indians are the main employees who want more and demand more in wages than any Irish person on the yearly performance time. Thankfully, we have got rid of couple of them. One went to another employer on less salary because she was told they pay 20% bonus, 🤣 since then I believe she got nada.

What I am saying is they don't seem to be cheaper than irish employees but more demanding, always an angle with them.

Look at Lebanon as an example. 70% Christian in the 1940s to around 30% now. With the rate that Islam is growing in Europe and the UK I simply can't understand why people on the left are celebrating it. There's a reason there's no pride parades in Baghdad, Islamabad or Kabul..

No what’s gas is how incredibly blinkered you are

Literally show you evidence from official Danish government data, reality that you want to ignore because it negates your worldview.
Very immature behaviour that does nothing to advance your cause, just looks foolish honestly.

You didn’t even refute my point or explain why you think I’m wrong - just empty nothings, really convincing to everyone I’m sure!!

There’s no point in discussing anything with such an entrenched ideologue. You believe what you want to believe, evidence and facts don’t come into it.