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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Richard Sadlier is a total hypocrite as well. He will happily take a pay cheque from RTE as a pundit for Ireland v Qatar, and most likely for Saudi Arabia games in the world cup. Then bang the drum about human rights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Same old record.

    You want everyone to do nothing, say nothing, use nothing before the have the temerity to call for a boycott against a genocidal state.

    If they did all that, you'd discount them as being of no relevance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    If your want to do something, do something thats tangible. That might actually make a difference.

    Boycotting two football matches wont.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    (Snip)

    i take part in football discussions on other forums, not boards.ie. is that allowed?

    Poster warned

    There is no tolerance for personal attacks against any poster. You can attack the post, but never the poster.

    -Mod

    Post edited by Rawr on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    When people tried to bring aid to Gaza as part of a flotilla, the same people who don't want the game boycotted were using the same terms to call them virtue signalling attention seekers.

    They literally couldn't be doing more to make a difference than bringing aid to those who don't have it.

    Haters are going to hate, no matter what is done, or advocated for, they'll have an excuse to denounce it.

    Only they no their true motivation, but they are advocating on the same side as those inflicting the suffering on the people of Gaza, that is irrefutable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The flotilla was just a bunch of people massaging their own ego with zero chance of making any tangible difference. Its the equivalent of the Gardai pulling over Michael OLeary for speeding and fining him €50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Exactly what I said you would say about them. You literally just said people should not call for a boycott of the game but instead should do something that would make a difference, and when people do that, this is how you respond.

    Thank God you're mindset is held by so few people in the country.

    This is why calling for a boycott is necessary even if the game goes ahead, so that the mindset you demonstrate is not seen as being widely held. It's a disgusting lack of empathy for a people being persecuted and killed daily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So what difference did the flotilla make?

    Like name ONE thing that has improved as a result?

    Where was this empathy for people being persecuted and killed prior to Thuradays game v Qatar, a country with a horrendous human rights record?

    Will you be protesting the Ireland v Afghanistan cricket matches scheduled for later this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Good point. Do not let anyone on here bully you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    what you on about? Got loadsa likes and new followers for the socials!!!😖



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The flotilla protesters did make a difference - a big one. Got Israel to shoot itself in the foot on news channels around the world. Everyone saw Ben-Gvir doing what a convicted terrorist and racist does. Many people indifferent to Israel def saw them in a different light - and not a good one.

    Boycotting two games would also achieve publicity that puts Israel in a negative light. That would certainly chap their asses again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    do you ever see any hope or positivity here at all here regarding this conflict? It’s post after post after post ONLY ever focusing on bad bad Israel.

    We’re 3 years into this particularly brutal part of their decades long fighting, and all your posts are ever only about trying to create division, not connection.

    Btw, you’re far from alone. On the other thread there are posters constantly only posting against Israel. They don’t even want to consider the slight progress towards peace that is being made.

    My god, you mention ceasefire (which does not mean peace) and they’re on having hissy fits.

    Maybe just me, but I think this conflict is way more (for lot people in Ireland) and on here to do with a weird Israeli pile on. They’re not remotely concerned about the possibility of the killings stopping, or being greatly reduced.

    Just look at it now nearly 3 years into. Dáil Éireann consumed with a Mickey Mouse OTB bill and this weird let’s boycott a soccer match. Not a fooking sniff of trying to portray neutrality, or to maybe stop the incesssnt Israel are bad narrative, and to even think about focusing on what progress has been made, and what can we do to further progress peace..

    This conflict over here is not about getting peace for Gazans. It’s about let’s keep piling on the anti Israel narrative



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So what exactly has Israel done in the last three years to progress peace?

    Zero.

    Name something good Israel has done in the last three years.

    Zero

    If you have difficulty with people calling out war crimes and genocide, perhaps the issue is beyond getting upset at a few random heads on boards doing exactly that.

    By the way, the conversations would be different if Israel had actually tried to be peaceful. Including the conversation about football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So there is peace in the middle east then.?

    There is no more fighting etc?

    Or did we just learn absolutely nothing new?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    you’ve only ever been focused on posts/clippings that portray Israel as bad bad. Every post.

    There is a ceasefire by the way. Yes, not perfect, but huge reduction in deaths and huge huge decrease in fighting. That absolutely is an Israeli positive.

    And for someone who is clearly well read, and I’d say tuned in and not easily fooled, I’m confused as to why you think these flotilla chancers are actually intent and sincere as regards trying to create a peace.

    Sailed there full well knowing Israel would intercept them. But that was their only aim. Try to portray Israel as bad. Nothing to do with helping Gazans. But you either cannot see this, or you are seeing it, but the fact that the selfie flotillas goal is to portray Israel as bad is good enough for you.

    Seriously, would it not be far better for Ireland (supposedly neutral) to try foster positive relations with Israel (in relation to this conflict, and THEIR conflict), than this continued anti-Israel narrative we are pushing? Really, how does this approach help Gazans? It doesn’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    do you ever see any hope or positivity here at all here regarding this conflict? It’s post after post after post ONLY ever focusing on bad bad Israel.

    Why the fcuk should I look to be accommodating towards Israel or those who either support them or at best, aren't overly bothered by what they are doing? They have killed probably over 100,000 Palestinians, displaced millions of them, attacked 6 other countries, started a war with Iran and another one with Lebanon.

    They’re not remotely concerned about the possibility of the killings stopping, or being greatly reduced.

    This from the last couple of days.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q65x4meqRnk

    “What really hurts them is the suburbs. We need to target them, flatten them and completely destroy them.”

    Far-right Israeli national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir called on the army to “flatten” Beirut's suburbs “to the ground”, a direct incitement to mass civilian destruction.

    His comments come as Israel's military campaign and invasion of southern Lebanon, which has killed over 3,000 people, displaced more than a million, and reduced entire neighbourhoods to rubble, continues unabated.

    You might be indifferent to the suffering of all these people, you may not be bothered about the fact that western governments are complicit in a lot of Israel's actions, you can try to paint opposition to all these things as being anti-Israel, you're free to do whatever you want, but I too am free to do what I want and I will never choose to be ambivalent to such hateful and harmful ideologies such as that demonstrated by Ben Gvir.

    If I was alive 80 years ago, I'd have been calling for support for Jewish people, just because it is descendants of those who suffered then that are causing the suffering now should never give them a pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    How long did it take the Dunne's Stores protesters? Baby steps paddy, baby steps.

    If you've learned nothing, it because you choose to close your eyes and ears and shout "la la la la la la".

    OTB, football boycotts - it all adds up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The OTB is not worth the paper its been written on. Its going to have no impact. Services has been removed from it and the rest is not really enforceable.

    And even if it was, the fine, €125k I believe, its pocket change to the MNC who generate Billions every year.

    Boycotting two games while advancing Israels potential to get a better seeding for the Euro 2028 qualifiers is really going to hurt them. Not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You clearly don't ready all my posts then.

    Foster peace with Israel? They call us the most antisemitic country on the planet. They're led by an alleged war criminal. They're before the ICJ for committing Genocide. Any calls by anyone for Israel to meet up and have a chat about peace are given the two fingers.

    You're barking up the wrong tree if you think Israel wants peace. They don't. They've stated it time and time again. They've shown it time and time again. Anyone that thinks otherwise is seriously misreading the room or not reading it all and simply repeating the Israeli Hasbara. A bit of critical thinking goes a long way.

    As for Israel reducing its murdering, that's a bit like saying a serial killer has gone from a victim a week to only one a month - so that's a good thing. Good grief.

    To bring it back to football, recall the Maccabi tel-Aviv thugs who terrorised a city and chanted their racist chants all match long. One lost a tooth and suddenly it was a Pogrom. More Hasbara.

    When Ireland play Israel, those Israeli fans will have to be kept in check. If they aren't and they run amok in Dublin, who on here will condemn it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,005 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes because it's a genocidal, racist apartheid state who is engaging in a genocide, attempting 2 other genocides, and has a horrendous problem with sexual violence.
    there is no progress to peace, slight or otherwise, there is no seasefire and the killings being less is irrelevant as it still doesn't change the fact israel is a genocidal racist apartheid state.
    israel is bad, it is a state that has been causing nothing but problems since it's inception.
    neutrality is not possible where a state is engaging in a genocide and attempting 2 other genocides all based on nonsense from a book.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If that's the case, what are you worried sbout the OTB for? If it's worthless, sure, even the Israelis won't bat an eyelid will they?

    But I suspect they'll Best regards apoplectic.

    Just like if the two matches are boycotted. And if that happens, the damn may possibly burst and I'd say the chances of Israel playing international Football are zero. No one wants to play a world pariah at anything.

    Except another world pariah of course.

    Israel v North Korea - I'd watch that for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    When Ireland play Israel, those Israeli fans will have to be kept in check. If they aren't and they run amok in Dublin, who on here will condemn it?

    Not going to be a problem as the game is being moved out of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,005 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the flotilla didn't need to do anything to show israel is bad, israel have done it itself by kidnapping people in international waters who were legitimately sailing to a territory illegally occupied.
    it would not be possible for ireland to foster positive relations with a religious extremist state engaging in a genocide and attempting 2 other genocides based on religious scripture who doesn't even listen to the country which effectively keeps it afloat.
    israel is a genocidal racist apartheid state who is out of control.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Im not worried about the OTB, ive no reason to be. Its a crock of sh1te. 70-75% of the bill was dropped altogether (services) and most of the rest is unenforceable and it will be easy to work around for the MNC in particular if they need to.

    If nobody else wants to play Israel, how come so many others have played them in the last 32 months??

    Why are no other FA coming out making statements in support of the FAI predicament and lobbying UEFA to ban them?

    New venue not announced but inthink its obvious now the game will be moved, probably to Germany, Austria or Hungary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    For someone not worried, you seem to know a lot about it.

    I just looked it up - Israel has played 2 friendlies in the last 3 years.

    Well, that says a lot doesn't it…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Because UEFA created the nations league in 2016 and there is very few friendlies nowadays and most internationals now are competitive.

    Am I not allowed to stay abreast of current affairs in Ireland?

    Edit...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_national_football_team_results_%282020%E2%80%93present%29

    Israel have played 20 games in last 2 and a half years.

    Rep of Ireland have played 22 in the same time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Why do you think UEFA will use their rules to punish Ireland if they boycott the game, but don't use their rules to punish Israel for having teams in occupied territories?



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