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Cork Area Commuter Rail (CACR)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭BagofWeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Translation: We don’t want people driving past our houses.

    From aerial photos, about twelve trees will go as the existing (public!) road is widened. Some of these are on both sides of the road at the edges of the sites for the four houses affected. I can’t see any routing where every house gets to keep all its trees, but there’s lots of options where nobody loses all of their trees.

    Here’s the site:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I was going to say it reads as "I don't want people passing my home".

    This used to be a through-road until the Midleton Rail project, something like 2007. It's still a public road. I'm all for meeting people half way and making whatever reasonable concessions to improve the outcome but the idea that they can prevent the road from being used is a PFO from me.

    With all that said, why not just go North of the houses concerned? Seems like a reasonable outcome for everyone other than the farmer of that sweet sweet farm land but it will all be developed in the long-run anyway (because of the rail line) so why not deal with it now?

    In general the Co Co needs to be way more active in this specific location. They'd get a two-for-one if they lay a full new trunk road here, unlocking development land around the Depot. Not IÉ's job, obviously, so Co Co need to progress this working with IÉ. There's also some demand for Castle Rock Avenue residents to access the North of the tracks, does anyone know what's actually planned there? They were asking for an active travel bridge, but I feel a full crossing bridge might be better, unlock that land between dual carriageway and rail line, remove Castle Rock Avenue from the N25. Generally, there's serious potential in this area. Would a station immediately West of the depot be a bad idea in the long-run? It would be mid-way between Carrigtohill and Waterrock, 2km ish from both. Homes and offices are both possible here.

    Also a final question, and I think it has its own thread…is the milebush interchange now a dead duck, given the amount of space needed for the depot? I prefer that tbh, I hated the idea of road-oriented development of that land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    Cork Area Commuter Rail : r/cork

    Hope it's OK to post a link to Reddit. Interesting comments here and analysis from a poster who attended a meeting regarding the CACR in Midleton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    I was on the Cork reddit page last night. There was a post about a CARC consultation in Midleton.

    Same story, gangs of people from a certain age demographic opposing the upgraded railway line.

    Why? It will result in traffic delays at the inter crossing in Midleton. And now I see the above about the proposed depot.

    Same short sighted NIMBY people making things complicated and delaying incredible projects, that will only benefit Cork City and County. In one way I can understand people pushing back against a Luas as it will bring new tram lines to a place where none are now. But I can't understand this push back against a railway expansion,

    https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fcork%2Fs%2FSHWDcxnLSG&data=05%7C02%7Cjdrew%40its.jnj.com%7C3209408e3223479f4f5208debcb369b6%7C3ac94b33913548219502eafda6592a35%7C0%7C0%7C639155675923740943%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LEadwOMLLYiXuCVineHP2PMnaztsSggXLjE8J24qaEA%3D&reserved=0



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    How did they manage to set up a .org for that? Those are supposed to only be used for legitimate nonprofit purposes, not second rate nimby crusades better suited to Facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭cantalach


    There are no restrictions on who can register a domain in the .com, .org, or .net TLDs. Of the six original TLDs from 1985, the ones that are restricted are .gov, .mil, and .edu.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I’ve had a look at that site, and the options map. They’re asking why option eight wasn’t chosen, a new road that passes north of the houses. To be honest, the path of least resistance here is probably to just go with option eight. 7 only won out over 8 very narrowly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    That's what I was thinking too yep. Seems like a no brainer to go North. Do you have the link to the options map still by any chance? I was struggling to find it



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It was reproduced on their site. I don’t have an original link.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    On a complete side tangent, does anyone know if anything is happening at the old chemical plant at Marino Point? It's a roughly 80-acre (30 hectare) site that could be quite a nice riverside development with a station located halfway between Fota and Carrigaloe. Just a thought, because AFAIK the chemical plant is currently derelict…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Frostybrew


    There's still a small part of the site in use known as Marinochem. The rest of the site will be developed by Gouldings chemicals and the port of cork. As long as a new port access road is built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Currently, the crossing on Mill Road closes more than three minutes before the train arrives, this is a cause of long queues on the road regularly.

    Considering that the train is slowly approaching at a speed of less than 30mph, as it's less than a couple of hundred metres from its terminus, why is such an early closing in place?. Is it some kind of network fixed time period based on faster through trains?

    With a ten-minute schedule, the crossing will spend the majority of its time closed to road traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I'm only guessing…

    It's a safety decision based on the train failing to brake from max speed. So they begin gate closure at sensor detection of the train passing a spot West of the gate. They shut the gate at the earliest possible time it could career through the crossing if the brakes fail. That's what I'd do, anyway.

    Let's analyse WHY people are moving North-South here: it's mostly people going to/from town. A smaller sub-set of people want to bypass.

    There's no simple fix IMO, just complete the North-Eastern bypass of the town for mechanised vehicles. I believe an uninterrupted North-South active travel path is already planned to the West of the current crossing, which would allow those users a better route. Maybe in the long-term we'd see the crossing closed (maybe not!). I don't see other alternatives. A sunken platform, allowing a cut-and-cover at the road maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I'm sure the twenty people either side can wait for the 160 - 300 people on the train to go past a few minutes. The train on approach into Cork gets up to a decent speed prior to it slowing down on the final approach. While it may cross the crossing at a slower speed of 30pmh, it is doing much more prior to that point. Therefore the safety has to be allowed for that speed and not just the one at the crossing.

    Don't go to Dublin 4. The gates only pop open for 60 - 90 seconds at a time at rush hour!



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