M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning approved]

I don't see a proper argument against this road tbh.

If zero extra public transport measures are put in place to compliment this road then fair enough, that's an argument, but that will hardly be the case.

Build the road

Increase public services on all routes around the the city and suburb towns.

Continue to upgrade existing roads to allow safer cycling sections.

You can just say none. We all know it's the case. Limerick is the main bridging point of the Shannon going north-south so a bypass makes sense. Not equatable to Galway.

Not sure who the "you must not live in Galway" comment is aimed at but if it's me you couldn't be more wrong. Born, bread and out and about daily. It just comes across as a desperate attempt to nullify discussion because you've no actual analysis other than how you feel things should be. I get how frustrating it is sitting in traffic every day but we should be looking to build actual solutions built on hard data and engineering.

This is a bad plan and we should be demanding better for out city and county

Absolutely, do both, within financial reason. Take the road’s funding, use it to build the Gluas, BusConnects etc first, then use what’s left to build a stripped-down bypass - not a distributor. Much better results for the same amount of taxpayer money. No need to spend more by doing it the other way round.

Of all the things ive read in this thread, I think the final paragraph here is my favorite. I wonder how quickly your view would flip if the 99% of the country who aren't ideologically opposed to private car ownership were also chiming in with their views on building the Galway ring road

Unfortunately those people don't give a toss about whether a road in Galway gets built. They've no motivation to contribute to a debate that doesn't affect them, unlike some

That's where the problem lies.

Personally I want to see both. Road and vastly improved public transport.

Whether the people of Galway are being sold a mouldy lemon or not, they have been fully sold.

The project has massive public support. Of the 5 elected Galway west TD's, all 5 are now in favour of building this. It's about time we started respecting people's wishes

You've kinda just proven my point again. The fact that actual analysis is so often dismissed in this thread because "they're not from here and my mom said we're special" just shows how lacking the arguments in favour of it are. I'll reiterate for the millionth time; I want my infrastructure based on solid analysis and engineering, not the feelings of random Joe Soaps. I formed my opinion based on reading the engineering reports because I'm not a road engineer, not by sitting in my car pontificating about how I think things should work. If they had concluded that it would help I'd be fine with it.

TDs should also be following the engineers advice because they aren't qualified to understand how this works. But their job is to be popular enough to get re-elected so that's what they focus on. Easier to spin a dream of grand solutions with a shiny new road

I agree with developing public transport en par with European cities, more frequent buses, tram system, train lines, cycle paths, etc.. and affordable puclic transport. i would love to see it for the city and barna to athenry and Oranmore and all connecting to the factories in parkmore, ballybrit, etc. The country has plenry of money to do this. But at the same time, built a ring road. I visit Rennes & Brest in France every year, they can do both and both are close to Galway city & suburbs size wise. I travel a lot to Germany for work, to small towns comparable to galway, they can do both, and have done for 30+ years. Look at Spain, they had nothing years ago, poor roads, donkeys, wrecks of roads, no rain network to mention. Look at Spain today, best train system & high speed in Europe, excelkent motorways, trams, metro and commuter trains in every major city. They managed to do this in the past 20 or so years.

I dont understand why Ireland cant improve transport and infrastructure. We are always told me have billions extra in tax revenue every year. Its not the 70's and 80's when we were piss poor and couldnt afford to fill potholes. Where is all the money going ???

No, it's journeys that both start and end outside the city but cross the river. So travelling from Moycullen to Clonboo would be included in the 3% even though someone doing this journey would only stay on the ring road between the two junctions either side of the river.

We would probably agree on lots of things having a face to face chat. Intricacies lost on the internet and all that.

I think this thread can be summed up by a lot of people frustrated at nearly 20 years without progress (based on the date of the first post)

"I dont intend to turn this discussion into an illegal immigration / refugee, but in 20 years time when the EU and UN changes refugee agreements and puts a halt to the whole thing (thats been realistically going in for over 20 years now), and countries can finally take control of their borders and enforce rejections & removals, all Ireland will have is empty run down hotels to show for the 40+ years which will have passed By then"

Why bring that up then? Immigrants have absolutely nothing to do with the Galway Ring road. Maybe Irish people living abroad should be returned here so. That will sort out all these congestion and hotel problems eh?

That spending has nothing to do with infrastructural development. You could close every Ipas and it won't deliver infrastructure any quicker. We are spending more than ever. The problems are planning and labour resources to get projects done. Cheap shots at immigrants are just that.

Snide remarks for calling out immigrant talk on an infrastructure thread? Yeah im very snide.

The funny thing about spending on infrastructure is that after it is built, people stop moaning about costs and just use it.

Shure the childrens hospital is shambolic the way the contract to build it was let and has been managed since, but when it is open and operating, there wont be one parent whose kid is in that hospital moaning about the cost.

When the the metro line is finally open, all those northern suburbs commuters & airport passengers who use it wont be moaning about the cost.

When I can finally drive around the city instead of wasting an extra 45-60 mins in peak time do my cross city journeys to get to the other side and beyond I wont be moaning about the cost. I'll be spending the time savings with my kids.