How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

Where are the words ‘have to’?

No answer to the question?

How would giving somebodies vote the same weight as everyone else’s be ‘excluding’ anyone?

Everyone will have a vote, if you don’t like what is proposed, don’t vote for it. Campaign for others not to vote for it. Persuade.
If your nonsense about the constitution was remotely true it would be another veto handed out like the super majority one.
‘We want all our concessions met or fook off. ‘
Such nonsense talk

The logic is that by surviving over 100 years, it has actually proved that it can function. That it is currently functioning badly is mostly down to the parties in charge at Stormont.

Every country requires international agreement just to function.

I agree that a separate governed area won't work while people purely vote to 'keep the others out'. Unionists would be far better off seeking to preserve their culture in a central Parliament far more open to their views than what would exist in the north.

You repeatedly point out this statistic...while ignoring the one that points out that those in favour of remaining part of the UK has plummeted over the last few decades, Downcow. I think you post a lot from a position of deep insecurity to be frank.

Fact of the matter is that the percentage of people who would vote for Unification has trended upwards (albeit much more slowly than the Shinners would want you to believe), the percentage of people who would vote for remaining part of the UK has fallen off a cliff. The biggest change has been the undecided and mainstream political Unionism currently does little to appeal to this middle ground with their anti-anything-Irish attitudes.

If there is never a border poll, and that is a real possibility, then your question to @downcow is an exercise in hypotheses. Even so, given that not a single credible explanation of how a united Ireland would work has ever been put forward on this thread, certainly not since I've been here, there is nothing to argue against.

If there is a border poll tomorrow, the argument for staying in the union is simple - those who are advocating for a united Ireland don't have even the basics of a clue of how it would work. They can't tell you how much tax you will pay, they can't tell you if your social welfare will go up or go down, they can't tell you whether you will have to pay to go to hospital or whether you will pay student fees. They can't tell you what type of school you will go to, they don't know what justice system or law will prevail, they can't even tell you what the new speed limits will be. They haven't a clue, and they want you to buy a pig in a poke, they spend zero time on uniting the people, using divisive language of "belligerents" and "partitionists" rather than embracing everyone. Look at the ugliness on social media from "nationalists" and "republicans", hate-filled rhetoric that nobody could stand over. Look at the vacuousness of the arguments on places like reddit and boards, nothing stuff, nothing to offer, nothing to propose.

However, we don't need for that. Before we get anywhere near a border poll, we have to see how the people have been united on this island, in all their diversity, then we have to see a SoS to decide to call a border poll. Not a single advocate of a border poll has been able to put forward a credible scenario for a SoS to call a border poll in the next two decades. We can spend time discussing the hypotheses and fantasies of how unionists might campaign in a border poll, but the reality is that posters like yourself are using such fantasies to distract from the poverty of your ideas on the scenarios that could lead to a border poll actually happening.

They can't tell you how much tax you will pay,

If you can answer that, we are all ears.

My point is, a single political party cannot 'credibly' provide that figure.

You say they can, prove it.

P.S. If there is a Border Poll it will be because it has been officially recognised that NI and Partition has failed.

Therefore what the Union has given has failed and a new offer will have to be on the table.
If Unionism has only 'what it is now' to offer, fair enough, that suits me.

If that is the case, Houston, we have a problem. All of the arguments put forward by border poll advocates is that the worst case scenarios on cost won't happen. On the basis that you are correct, there will be significant increases in public expenditure that the island cannot afford.

I am not arguing for any change in the status quo, so I don't need to make any proposal. The responsibility of persuasion, the responsibility of proposals, all lies on those who advocate for change. I have absolute confidence that a border poll won't happen before 2035 because of the poverty of the arguments being put forward in favour of it.

Ok, so prices and taxes will go up for people living in Northern Ireland, got it, and you expect them to still vote for a united Ireland?

If no single party or random person on the internet can credibly put forward a coherent argument for a united Ireland, why do you ask other posters to present the coherent arguments against a united Ireland?

The Emperor truly has no clothes.

There is nothing for unionism or anyone else to respond to, as you can't tell us what a united Ireland proposal would look like, even in the most tenuous form!!!

I am beginning to think my prediction of no border poll before 2035 could be safely extended by another decade or so. There is no clue as to how it will happen, other than some groupthink thinktanks regurgitating discredited nonsense.

Just because a partitionist says they are 'not credible' doesn't make it so. It's just the opinion of another random interneter.