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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,950 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's more than a bit sus when some of these parents are all for the Gaelscoil for their kids but refuse to make any effort to learn the language themselves. Bizarre in fact.

    "This is REALLY important for my kids, so much so that their whole education should be conducted through it. Me? Sure what use would I have for that?"

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Why do you care so much? Either way I mean.

    To me, whatever the reason the parents might have, it's a win that the Irish language gets to survive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, the system gets to survive at the expense of the language.

    This is the controversial opinion thread. That's why I posted that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've friends with young children in Ireland and this is the impression they get as well quite a lot of the time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Imho, there's two main reasons for uptick. First is your grade automatically goes up a little for doing exams in Irish. Second is a lot of the gaelscoils tend to perform pretty much on par with private schools in terms of leaving cert results. So that weird leaving cert league table is responsible for a lot of it.

    I did go to a gaelscoil but honestly was not a fan if I'm honest. It was pretty strict in terms of being caught speaking English…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,319 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Can we move on already from the gaelscoils now, please.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭csirl


    One of the downsides of gaelscoils is that they can segregate society.

    Where I live we have both and its like two different societies who dont mix much. They are completely different fron a socio-economic, ethnic and demographic perspective. You wouldnt think they came from the same place!

    For transparency, my kids arent in a gaelscoil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,950 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "Why do you care so much" in a discussion forum is truly the thickest response possible.

    I don't care, it wasn't my kids' school, I was just expressing an opinion (see thread title)

    Why do you care so much? 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,950 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gaelscoils are primary schools. Most kids in them will go on to English-language secondary schools.

    You have no right to tell other posters what they can or can't discuss.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Correct - but mostly primary schools.

    There is not an option for every pupil in a Gaelscoil primary school to progress to a Gaelscoil secondary school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,950 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gaelcholaiste don't have the capacity yet to absorb all of the Gaelscoil kids leaving 6th class.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    who is it a downside for though?

    If people think there children get better results and go further in life by going to a gaelscoil the you can't blame them for sending them there.

    People have always made choices to segregate themselves from certain aspects of society if they can, there is nothing really wrong with that , people buy houses based in large part due to the quality of neighbours they will have as much as the quality of house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah wasn't aware of that. I only did second in Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Shane McGowan was great but his upcoming tribute show will be ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I don't know the faces people make make when you say you don't like the sun/heat. It ranges from mild amusement, confusion, deflation and disgust! So instead I just stick to the default "yeah" through gritted teeth.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,938 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    I have a mate who sent his three sons to a Gaelscoil in Dublin for pretty much that same reason. He is very nationalistic in his views, closer to Republican.

    The irony is that his late father was Japanese (he's Eurasian mix and very good looking, especially for 50), his mother is originally from Cork and his now ex-wife is Spanish. But he does not like immigrants much.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The even bigger outrage was when they made Irish a working language of the EU. So now you can obtain Irish translations of trade deals full of legalese. Not even people living in the Gaeltacht will read those.
    No better example of a gravy train exists.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I dont oppose immigrants per se. My criticism is of the systems politicians have created around the issue, such as landlords and lawyers becoming millionaires at taxpayers expense for asylum cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Sallythecat


    Do you find it difficult being friends with him?

    I recently had friends come out with some outrageous stuff about foreigners & I can't look at them the same anymore.

    One of them thinks losing a friendship of over 20 years because of a difference of opinion is stupid, but it feels more serious to me then that.

    Is it a controversial opinion to drop friends because of their attitude towards other people??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Is the solution to blame immigrants or or the housing market?

    I have to assume the vast majority of immigrants aren't in government housing. I presume they are in n the normal private rent/ownership market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    People need to have a good look at themselves, honestly. This isn't specifically Irish people, it's people in general. Everyone expects to have everything without any compromise whatsoever. For instance, a friend of mine is from North Cornwall. Cornwall was a net beneficiary of EU support back when we were in it. Cornwall voted to leave the EU. Cornwall also suffers from high house prices and youth emigration from the area. The locals hate how the place is withering and they hate all the Londoners who buy up all the houses for holiday homes. However, the thing that they despise most of all is housebuilding of any kind. Nothing gets them going like coordinating to shut down developments. They won't create a favourable environment for young people so they leave and then they make sure nothing changes anyway.

    I don't think blaming immigrants ever solves anything. People who do are usually racists. Blaming successive governments is of limited utility when it's we the people who install them without ever asking questions.

    The fact is that we need high immigration to ensure growth. People don't seem to know this but politicians surely do, make no mistake. Nobody wants to get blamed for decreasing pensions and house prices. House prices must always go up.

    I listened to a bit of an interview yesterday with a Dublin man who moved to Wicklow. He was boasting about how he'd successfully killed development of six new houses because it would ruin his view of Mount Leinster. It's just avarice at this point.

    We made progress as people when we limited vested interests' ability to pull up the ladder and hoard wealth and opportunity. Now we've gone back in the other direction entirely.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    But 7 times the EU average?

    Edit: There are different kinds of immigrants and we shouldnt talk about it as if someone who is highly skilled, and someone who has no skills, are equally needed by the economy, as some on the Left do when they cite labour shortages as a reason for allowing asylum claims.

    Also we need a conversation in this country about work permits. Yes I agree are skills shortages. But I think AI will reduce those. Also we need to avoid work permits becoming an excuse to neglect upskiling of the unemployed. I think this happened in other countries, and is one of the reasons for the rise of the Populist Right in deprived areas.

    I made clear earlier I was criticising the system, not any nationality. The venality of a system that enriches Irish landlords and lawyers. I dont really blame someone for accepting an open door mat. But I am troubled that its happening during a housing crisis, when tens of thousands of Irish are emigrating due to the cost of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    when tens of thousands of Irish are emigrating due to the cost of living

    Don't worry, they are being replaced by indians in similar numbers. Oh no, did I just use the word replaced?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    South Dublin county council are currently trying to rezone undeveloped land in the council area, almost all of which are uncontroversial to me.

    My own family are dead set against all this, railing about overdevelopment/lack of facilities/what about flood plains etc. It’s like banging your head off a wall.

    Post edited by spacetweek on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Don't get me wrong, property developers are neither saints nor angels. It just seems like there's always some excuse. I've seen some seriously pathetic ones over the years. My favourites are the objections to an abandoned airfield and ones about casting shade on a graveyard.

    There can obviously be real, legitimate reasons to object to some developments. It's the greed, the selfishness and the short-sighted attitude I have problems with.

    I live in the UK, the first country in history to voluntarily worsen its own trading situation. We were told that we'd be living in a land of milk and honey if we voted for this. Immigration would come down and we're told (wrongly) that immigration is why wages are so low.

    Brexit happens and immigration reaches its highest ever level because it's the only way to prop up the economy. People want mutually exclusive things. Can't have infinite growth without immigration. Then they refuse to pay more taxes which might help other people so there isn't a lot of room for governments to manoeuvre in.

    We really do get the governments we deserve. Always.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    You're wasting your breath by asking the left if they differentiate between legal migrants coming with visas and illegal immigrants coming to fill up hotels in the midlands and dole queues thereafter. They don't answer that question. Even though you write it out it is not visible to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    The left is not a group of people with identical opinions. Many understand the big difference between the two and many others dont.



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