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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Don't think they can unfortunately as i would love to see the outcome of that.

    Anyway, latest poll results

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The thread is about Ireland v Israel. Not Ireland v Qatar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    But the same arguments apply. If you want countries banned, suspended etc from International football for their governments human rights issues, then whatever proposed rules you want need to equally apply to all.

    I assume we'll be seeing a big crowd of you and others of this view protesting tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    True. But why are you not objecting to the game taking place? Or is it only certain countries you have issues with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Your mask fell off on the other thread, “Palestinians raping Danish women”.

    You’re not a serious poster and none of this has anything to do with your (ironically) virtue signalling over FAI jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well the facts are Palestinians in Denmark are 12x more likely to commit rape, the human rights record in palestine, nothing to do with israel is pretty damning. So should that be called out by those of you so concerned about human rights abuses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,744 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Isn't this post off topic? I am suprised PJ hasn't complained about this. Is it that he doesn't care about sticking to the thread title when he deems it convenient?

    In any case human rights abuses should be called out wherever they happen, Paddy. Which is why you welcome reports by the likes of B'tselem highlighting the human rights abuses of Palestinians by Israelis. You're not one of these hypocrites who selectively cares about human right abuses depending on who the perpetrators are. I mean how hypocritical would that be suggesting others are doing it while in fact being guilty of it yourself.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    When I first heard I thought it was a protest against how the Qataris treated migrant workers building the 2022 world cup stadiums. Maybe even a bit about women's rights in Qatar. But no it was an anti-Israeli protest.

    Only reasoning I can make is that Israel isn't a major oil producer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    sorry Nacho some of us have real more important real life matters within Ireland to deal with and arent just frothing about Israel 24/7.

    Sorry you missed me hun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,744 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Is this an attempt at humour?

    I ask because it is funny given how active you are on this thread. You're more active on this thread than I am.

    Anyway it's no surprise you attempt to personalise the discussion again rather than address your double standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You literally called me out completely unprovoked this morning but now try to accuse ME of personalising, always the victim unsurprisingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    We deliberately organized to play a friendly with Qatar a government who were hosting Hamas who are also to blame for the situation in Palestine, this was completely unnecessary and yet we did it. We actually have to play Israel because UEFA have forced us to. We either care about human rights and refuse to played based on it or we don't.

    Any refusing to play Israel now would ring hollow and would look particularly embarrassing and hypocritical considering we chose to play Qatar in a friendly.

    us playing them would make no difference we'd be deducted 6 points and Israel would go on their merry way. Either we get the other teams in our group to refuse to play Israel (no sign of that happening or even an attempt at it happening) or we get other bigger countries to lobby for Israel to be kicked out of UEFA in general.

    i don't like Israel at the moment, I think their government are scum but truth is like most of our activist class they have very selective morality and considering the silence around playing Qatar prove how hypocritical they are.

    Sport should be sport it's about competing on a field of play irrespective of political difference and we should be fully focused on going out and making sure we beat Israel in these 2 games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Everyone on the planet has selective morality, and it is ridiculous to suggest it should be any other way.

    Did you ask the fuel protesters why weren't they protesting about housing? Did you demand that they think of ambulances and emergencies before they created gridlock around the country? Did you ask the Ireland first protesters had any of them ever lived or worked outside the country?

    Do you think that all those people are part of an activist class? I bet you don't or if you are an isolated person who does practice what they preach, then kudos to you.

    But it is the very definition of selective judgement that has many of the people calling for consistency on the side of the ant-genocide protesters while they themselves jump through various hoops to avoid doing what they demand of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    these 2 matches are coming close together and both involve regimes involved in this conflict and both involve regimes with questionable human rights records, as a result the compete opposite stances regarding both matches is much more comparable and also the fact that one of them is an imposed situation by an external body and one of them is a match we agreed ourselves to play and could easily have got out of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That's why the calls to stop us playing a soccer match against Israel are incredibly insincere. It's way way more to do with it being Israel than anything else….of course, you'll keep getting the children the genocide etc etc, but ultimately it's human rights, isn't it? And Qatar have awful human rights, as well as being very cozy with terrorists….but we don't want to boycott them because who's going to give us the big pat on that back for that one?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


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    I got this from another poster earlier. Interesting.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What a pathetic argument.

    Have Qatar killed 20,000 children recently?

    Have Qatar committed a genocide?

    Is Qatar run by war criminals?

    Is Qatar committing a collective punishment on innocent civilians?

    Is Qatar preventing aid to innocent civilians?

    Is Qatar starving a small country (open air prison)?

    Is Qatar annexing other people's land?

    Does Qatar refuse access to international journalists?

    Does Qatar prioritise the murder of healthcare workers?

    Maybe when the Israeli genocide and terror campaign is stopped, we can look at human rights elsewhere. I find starving/murdered children get priority.

    You cannot even acknowledge what Israel is doing which makes your worldview and moral compass incredibly warped. Or maybe you just need attention.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No, conistency is very important here, Cluedo. It is also an admirable trait. We are not being consistent because we are not being sincere. Quatar is a country that we absolutely should have nothing to do with IF we are realy sincere and consistent about human rights!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As usual you didn't answer a single question. Dishonest fraudulent posting all day long. You don't know the meaning of the phrase 'admirable trait' based on your lack of empathy for downtrodden people.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You probably just don't want to admit it. That when it comes to human rights, Qatar are awful, and IF we are sincere and consistent as regards upholding human rights, then we'd be actively calling to not play the likes of Qatar; same way we are non stop asking not to play Israel. It's a no-brainer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You can't even spell Qatar.

    The fact that you would compare the human rights violations in Qatar to what has happened in Israel is beyond pathetic.

    My guess is that your loyalty to Israel so due to your staunch religious beliefs and fear of Islam.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That's called a typo. I'll correct that. Point stands…..sincerity and consistency clearly lacking from us as regards this match. You disagree….no bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think you care about your post count than answering questions. You still have answered my questions re Qatar or acknowledged anything about Israel's multiple violations of IHL and countless war crimes. I am right about the religious guess...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think you're getting confused here. I think we should play Israel, and I also think we should play Qatar. I think we should play anyone. It's nothing to do with answering your questions

    In my view sports and politics shouldn't mix. My point was very simple: Sincerity and consistency around human rights (welfare of human beings on the planet) seems to be inconsistent from us. You're deflecting a lot here by trying to say Israel are way worse than Qatar. Yes, maybe they are…..but that is not my point! Plus, Israel are involved in a conflict. Qatar just have awful human rights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Maybe they are??

    You are dishonest with yourself even. Bye.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Gas…I literally edited my post just before reading yours……but you're right, it's too nice a sunny evening for me and you to be wasting it…….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    boycott the two Israel games and they will happily take the six points while the other teams in the group will play them. Meanwhile Ireland will get banned from Eufa games as well as our clubs in Europe competition



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