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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    didn’t want to walk amongst the great unwashed down Jones Road, the thought’s of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    But would you happily take a 25 thousand euro per year car allowance as cash, rather than have the use of ahigh end car?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Yes, Yes, Yes, Like I knew a TD who lived in Marino and had a 'travel allowance' to the Dáil that was equivalent to a working wage at the time.

    Never heard of a 'driving allowence' its always been a 'travel allowance' where people get lifts. Same with 'overnight expenses' where people stay free with friends/relatives and claim on 'un-certified allowances'.

    Very few are without 'sin' in sceptred isle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You don't really get it do you. Vast majority of people don't get a 25K car allowance and then get claim travel expenses on top of this. Vast majority of people don't get a car allowance.

    How do you square all of this?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I think the logic is “if it’s done by anyone in RTÉ or NKM and the taxpayer is picking up the tab it’s fine”.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    But those is a position of privilege do. My local county councillors got a travel allowance for each virtual meeting they attended during Covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Indeed one of the part of retail therapy is that you don't find yourself in what they call "The Middle Aisle".

    It amazing when you consider that RTÉ executive and management can at the stroke of a pen cut funding to clear public service broadcasting programming and then keep their own allowances and perks.

    I suppose to get the best you must ….

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    People tend to forget that a significant part of RTE's revenue comes from commercial advertising. If this source were to be discarded then the public would, one way or another, have to pay more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Brendan Ogle?

    Does he work for RTÉ now?

    He has more hats than a millner, professional attention seeker.

    Last I heard he was suing ICTU or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But you seem to forget that that commercial product has its foundation on a continous and largely fixed amount of public funding.

    And I don't advise discarding the commercial money, there are various reasons I have stated before why you wouldn't do that.

    One way or another RTÉ want you to pay more in anycase.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    To be fair, the cover is deliberately eye catching and not exactly subtle, actually makes it look somewhat cheap.


    A photo of Dee Forbes would have been more appropriate.


    Tubs obviously never heard of the Streisand effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    No, he used to be a regular on shows on RTE, but I don't believe he was ever employed by them. Judging by the language they used in that podcast, they'll be claiming they've never heard of RTE within a week or two!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    But with proper cost controls to rule out expensive perks and above market salaries, we'd get much better programming.

    The fact that RTE gets commercial income does not mean its exempt from proper financial management or value for money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well I wasn't suggesting it did. However proper management includes a few freebees for commercial clients. That's the nature of commercial relationships and trying to remain pure in a mixed financial environment isn't realistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Not sure how car allowances for staff and inflated salaries = freebees to clients!

    In most commercial operations they try to keep internal costs down so their rates are more competitive for clients!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It may be but you seem to confuse RTÉ management theory with proper management theory. Their main competitors are possibly not as flaithiúlach considering the market.

    You seem to think that RTÉ would have changed their ways. most likely RTÉ would if fully public funded wine and dine the people they advertise with to gain an audience.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Salary inflation is driven by the need to retain 'names' who become associated with the product. If RTE loses listners/viewers they become less attractive to commercial advertisers. In this regard they were always fighting a losing battle due to evolving technology and people's changing ways of accessing entertainment/news.

    Whether they negotiated excessive amounts for 'names' is a matter of opinion often presented as fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It hasn't happened so far.

    RTÉ made the opinion that these people were worth the money they got, we can now see that the people running RTÉ didn't know what they were doing.

    It might be a matter of opinion that RTÉ overvalued their top talent but you just have to take Daithi O'Se as a glaring example overvaluation. He fits into the category of a BBC breakfast host according to RTÉ, today is a long way from a BBC Breakfast host.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    You use the phrase "retain names". Where exactly were these "names" going to go if RTE didnt employ them? Tesco and Dunnes dont pay six figure salaries to people stacking shelves!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I used the term 'names' to refer to what were household names that attracted listeners, names like Pat Kenny, Ryan Tubridy, Joe Duffy……

    Kenny went to Newstalk after a long career in RTE Radio and TV, others might have followed. There's no knowing until they do, largely a matter of timing. The present is not a good time as shown by Murdoch commercial radio stations rationalising their operations here and about to lay off staff. The whole mainstream media print/radio/tv is increasingly challenging, not least for 'names'.

    We haven't quite reached the Tesco/Dunnes shelf staker level yet but who knows, there may come a day when AI presenters with individual 'personalities' become 'names'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭techman1


    Yes why didn't he put dee forbes on the front cover along with tubridy. Is Shane Ross slightly protective of dee forbes himself, trying to scatter the mud away from her onto others?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    13 years an no one followed, just Claire Byrne.

    Again you seem to think RTÉ was a well run organisation.

    From 1961 to 1989 they had a monopoly, they simple could have looked at the jobs market and said "good luck"

    Centry radio only last 3 years and even then they could have said, "If they want to throw money around they can".

    TV3 didn't even take an News anchor from them, the only former RTÉ "name" was Mark Cagney who'd left RTÉ long before he was on Ireland AM.

    Ian Dempsey probably the highest profile person to leave didn't see many follow him, indeed Iano is the most listened to Commercial radio presenter in the country.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Many of them arent that good to begin with - you'd be better hiring someone new. Look at Marty Morrissey. Why is he paid so much? Cant see the likes of BBC, Sky Sports, ESPN ever touching him. Get some young newcomer with some talent in instead.

    Many of the others are nepo hires who wouldnt ever have been hired on ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Marty is popular with the GAA crowd, knows his stuff and relates well to fans.

    It's not all about his appeal to other broadcasters with marginal interest in GAA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But then his market is just that. BBC Sport, ESPN, Sky Sports and so on have no really interest in a niche product. He can ask for more money but again RTÉ should turn around and say "well this is what your being paid", of course he could be on normal rates for all we know.

    However, as its RTÉ management they probably gave him the car!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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