Israel/Palestine Thread

True, true.

I think that they need a Marshall-type plan, with Truth and Reconciliation style committee in Palestine. Otherwise, the ME will never be at peace

I don't think we should apply a certain punishment to people based off where they come from. If convicted of a heinous crime, then I have no issue with the death penalty for any person, regardless of their geography, religion, ethnicity etc

I never said Jews rule the world, the US does.

You claim to read my mind, while I clearly stated what I was thinking: the US & Israel pressured them or the threat of punishing them by labeling them as antisemites (sounds familiar).

I never criticised Jews, I said I marched alongside some wonderful Jews in protest against this genocide.

You keep playing the antisemitism card, I thought I knew what it meant, but maybe I was wrong.

Is it:

• opposition to genocide?
• opposition to ethnic cleansing?
• opposition to torture?
• opposition to mass punishment?
• opposition to systemic rape of prisoners?
• opposition to double strike attacks?
• opposition to attacks on hospitals?
• opposition to sniping innocent children playing football?
• opposition to denying newborn babies infant formula?
• opposition to torturing surgeons?

I have nothing against Jews, I have a serious problem with all of these things and the many more atrocities Israel is committing.

I was merely pointing out that the IAGS gave no such overwhelming opinion that there is a genocide in Gaza, and that anyone who is quoting it is either misinformed, or willfuly posting false information.

You immediately leaned into an antisemitic trope that Jews rule the world as an excuse for not getting the genocide result you wanted from the IAGS without a shred of evidence to back up your opinion. You clearly stated USA/Israel were responsible.

None of your list is antisemitic.

Regurgitating Elders of Zion insidious claptrap that the Jews/Aipac/Israel/Zionists rule the world is.

Is calling Jews an abhorrent tribe antisemitic?

this is fair and I respect your stance (though personally, I am opposed to death penalty). However, does the nebulous outline of what constitutes a crime worthy of death in this instance worry you? And what level of crime do you think warrants such a punishment?

We are in agreement that the selective application of a punishment to only some individuals in society is wrong. Does the fact that the current regimen applies this punishment to the Palestinians alone make you pause and wonder what is their purpose?

Id have guesses so -because you aren't a sociopath! But in Gaza people argue for this very thing. It still boggles my mind.

Netenyahu is on record saying he facilitated funding Hamas to split the Palestinians, a physhotic thing to do imo - he is as culpable as anybody for October 7th, he can bomb and starve all the children he wants it doesn't take away from that.

Haven't heard anything about him and Hamas being in Cahoots but nothing would surprise me with that evil prick.

It seems extraordinary that October 7th could have been planned for two years and yet Mossad supposedly had no advance warning of it : this is an intelligence agency with billions of dollars at its disposal, large scale surveillance and bugging, informers and undercover agents on their payroll etc. It really stretches the imagination that they had no inkling a large scale terrorist attack featuring around 4000 militants was about to happen.

Members were given 30 days to vote, with everyone receiving a personal vote, and multiple reminders sent out about the vote. Voting was anonymous, as is standard with any voting in IAGS. Members are encouraged, but not forced, to vote. 

30 days for genocide scholars to give an opinion. Anonymous voting. So no big bag Jews or Yanks manipulating the vote as has been implied by one of the usual conspiracy theory brigade.

Yet only 28% deemed it worthy of voting on. I wonder why!

Maybe, just maybe, they don't feel its a genocide! Your rather feeble conclusion would be, I suppose, that they do, but actual genocide scholars simply weren't bothered enough to take the 2 seconds necessary to select a vote button.

You want to present this as some sort of definitive proof that a genocide is taking place, however, I can, correctly, point out that 72% of genocide scholars don't agree despite having a chance to make their views known.

If they though it was a genocide, then they should have voted. They had their chance. Thats their job.

They clearly werent motivated enough to agree. If you, like the other poster, want to make that another antsemitic trope about Jews ruling the world, that's up to you, but the results are there in black and white.

The stats show on average, 70% don't vote in any of these resolutions. It is there in black and white.

If anything this shows the majority see this genocide as no different to any of the other ones that they don't vote on. I have no idea why they abstain no more than you do, because it is an anonymous vote - but if they felt it wasn't genocide as strongly as you bizarrely and falsely characterized, they would have voted no. But they didn't, it's all consistent.

Out of the 30% that actually consistently votes on these resolutions, over 80% declared it a genocide. It is what it is.

And yet again, when you are proven wrong for failing to know wtf you are talking about, you resort to cretinous slander.

Show me a single antisemetic post I have ever made. One.

Unlike you I try to consistently defend the good name of Jewish people on this site (along with Muslims and others unfairly targeted alike), and have done so many times. However if you commit or support warcrimes against innocent people, I don't care what religion you have, that defence ends.

Whereas you, curiously, only seem to defend Jews that are committing and supporting warcrimes? Odd that.

And whilst you are at this, you have absolutely no problem using all Jews, many of whom are appalled at this genocide as we are - as collectively singular minds to shield these same scumbags from accountability and justice.

When you engage in your usual nonsense of labelling Medicines San Frontier, the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, international investigators Human rights watch, Amnesty, BT selem, Physicians for human rights, Oxfam, etc as antisemetic - purely for offering their incredibly experienced and impartial view of genocide (because you have never once shown a single shred of proof for your nonsense), you are not refuting this is happening in any credible way. You are just tarring all Jews as complicit in it, and hoping that will be enough to keep people quiet. You are wrong, it is disgusting on many levels, and you have no right.

Do you believe that a poster logging onto this thread to state that "Jews are an abhorrent tribe" is someone making an antisemitic statement?