Israel/Palestine Thread

Most people just act on our feelings or gut which is influenced overtime by things happening in our life, our experiences, and for things we haven't experienced - things we hear or read (which of course is often manipulative bullshit), and it can become ingrained.

People can then accept that feeling as the truth, and work backwards from that, consuming and accepting things that reinforce it no matter how implausible, and disregarding other things, no matter how logical or evidential.

We are all guilty of this, but it can be dangerous and insidious because it can grant some the ability to disregard some appalling violence, even against children, if their gut tell them it's justified.

Some people on this thread have clearly just given into this in the worst way and are supporting Israel's brutality and nonsense without any scrutiny because they feel it in their gut that Muslims are bad and deserve it, despite likely never having been in a Muslim country. I would say zero people on this thread have ever had negative interactions with Gazans so much that theyd want them being killed like this (I may be wrong)...

I also don't believe defending Jews is the reason for many people supporting this butchery - the most antisemetic comment you can make is to say opposition to a genocide is antisemetic and going against Jews, which does nothing but f*ck them all under the bus as complicit when they aren't. Loads are guilty of this.

I don't know what the motivations for this posters pov is tbh, and I'll never know unless they say it, but happy they engaged.

I find it mad the logic they apply can't be explained, or put on any other similar situations in the world outside of this one, and it doesn't give them pause for thought.

But as I said, most people just feel things in their gut, despite the apparent nonsense of it, and will keep going on the same track without scrutiny, and that's the way it is.

A new legal front opening in Poland

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/polish-palestinian-survivors-take-israeli-leaders-court-over-gaza-genocide

... And if they did would everyone be defending Russia mass killing and starving Ukranian citizens I wonder? Or would they be defending Ukraine if they somehow managed to blockade, starve and commit a genocide on Russian civilians?

This is the rhetorical q obviously not aimed at you.

I think the answer to both of the above would be firmly no.

But in Gaza, for some reason, they do

Do you think the world should have come to a unanimous consensus that Nazi Germany were committing genocide against the Jews, Romani and other people, before trying to stop them?

Germany started a world war by invading Poland…..the "trying to stop" them started very shorty after this…there was no waiting….and I could be wrong, but I think the term genocide was first used in around 1945 or so, maybe couple years before, so your question really is a bit pointless here.

As it stands, there are still some rather influential countries who have not said yes, that Isarel is committing Genocide….The UK and the U.S. being two very influential countries. And also, the Genocide decision has not been declared yet. Would it be a huge shock to me if it's a yes? No, it wouldn't. Israel sure have done plenty of damage, but it's not fully clear yet that they have committed a genocide.

I didn't live in the 1930s. It's almost 100 years ago. People have been hurting and killing each other since we first walked earth.

What ya want me to say? That the world in 1933 should have jumped on Germany because in 1933 the Germans began persecuting jewish people? Yes, maybe they should have….I really don't know

Maybe….I don't know…like I said, the world 100 years ago a lot different than it is today. The UN and NATO didn't even exist. Cannot say with any degree of certainty what people 100 years ago should have done. They did what they did, and that is history.

Regarding this genocide call. Israel may be close to what one could call genocide, but they have argued that their war is NOT against the people of Gaza, but against the terrorist scum in Gaza called Hamas (and those aiding and abetting Hamas), who are a huge threat to the people of Israel; Israel have also argued that their military operations are never to attack and kill civilians in Gaza, but are against terrorists in Gaza. Isarel also argue that many many times before attacks they issue evacuation orders; if they really were committing a genocide they wouldn't be doing this.

"They did what they did, and that is history."

Isn't the point to stop genocide before it becomes history?

If we wait for a unanimous consensus, it is already too late.

I'd happily engage you civilly if you weren't so patronising and condescending in your tone towards me. yesterday you asked me a question and couldn't resist the digs. It's a strange way to expect people to respond to you. I mean, all you have to do is engage politely without the need to resort to the add on digs….it's your call here

This is all very nicely worded statements on all of the precautions taken by Israel, I'm sure Nazi Germany would have put out propaganda in their time. The thing is the reality has been documented, live streamed by Israeli soldiers, people can't unsee it.

There is public uproar in Israel when their soldiers are brought to account for the atrocities they have committed. The most moral army in the world line doesn't work anymore.

The International Association of Genocide Scholars published a finding in 2025 that Israel's actions in Gaza meets the definition of genocide.

walshb? I would genuinely be interested to hear your opinion?