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Football Championship 2026 (Mod Note in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,234 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    There's lads on here who have suddenly become the moral police and Helen Lovejoys just because an incident involved Kerry and Donegal. I'm fairly certain same posters turned a blind eye after a horrendous shoulder by a Dublin lad a few years ago, and were always sympathetic to others flashpoints involving the Jackeens.

    Funny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Yep. In general the CCCC don't tend to interfere if they can help it and to be honest, the one bad incident from the game saw a red card and suspension and there probably isn't a need to take it any further. Sidelines badly need to be tidied up however, that could have got very nasty at half time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭event


    They could tidy it up fairly easily if they wanted. Management/backroom team come on to the field of play, at any point, whether ball in play or not:

    Red card for the person involved.

    Black card for a nominated player

    etc etc

    Very harsh, yes. But I think you'll start to see this creep in more and more now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭cgorzy


    It was very nasty at half time and that was from the players before other involvement.

    I did think Burns slinking off to pretend he had been in among the other group around Murphy was sort of funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,213 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I suppose the point is that one's 'greater knowledge' of something doesn't make one immune from error or bad judgment nor does it completely invalidate the 'opinion' of those allegedly less knowledgeable...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    If you ever needed expert legal advice it is highly unlikely that you would seek it at your local deli counter. Nor would you be inclined to accept it off some random individual on the internet whose credentials are unproven.
    Despite what some might think inter county match officials are rigorously trained and face robust review procedures. They are the best we have, and while they do occasionally make mistakes, they are still the experts in their field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Not sure why people are acting so shocked. The CCCC is making a point lately of not undermining referees. Doling out retroactive punishments at the behest of media pundits and permanently outraged fans is not the objective, nor should it be, unless we want the whinging from every corner to increase tenfold after every single game. In Brennan's situation, he was red carded at the time of the incident, which was then recorded in the ref's report and the CCCC backed the report. That they went by the ref's report again this time and didn't sanction either McGuinness or Clifford is actually consistent with how these issues have been handled this year. Ultimately, the ref's report is being taken as the last word, and for me that is preferable to officials being dictated to by journalists and reactive spectators motivated by their own agendas. At the end of it all, Clifford and McGuinness will have their cards marked now and will probably have to be careful going forward, they're unlikely to get the benefit of the doubt again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Amazing how Culchies turn a blind eye to flash points involving Culchies, and stick the knife in to Jackeens for similar.

    Funny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,615 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    TBH the CCCC will not deal with anything that was seen by officials and dealt with during the match or seen and ignored by match officials. That is what refs are there for. Probably before the next Kerry/Donegal if there is one this year, the officials should make clear to players through there captain that any messing will be dealt with straight away.

    Any swarming around players or the ref will result in with a black card. But football is a contact sport at the end of it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ah now we are all intermarried somewhere along the line! 😂

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Referees won't take any account of what happened when handling incidents in future games. We had the same nonsense about Murphy having his "card marked" for a future red to rectify Gough's and the linesman's error in the League Final. Players can carry on these vendettas if they want, but any referee who does it is a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭robbiezero




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Not shocked . But disappointed this was the GAA / CCCC chance to act. And it would actually help the officials already under immense pressure. It would also stop players/management acting the maggot. Have a bit of decorum. In other major sporting codes, this sort of thing is just not tolerated.

    Rugby - would have used TMO re Clifford - McGuinnes breech of technical area -  Low-end infraction: Automatic 2-week ban. Mid-range infraction: Automatic 6-week ban. Top-end infraction: 12+ weeks.

    Soccer - independently cited - video evidence treated as absolute

    :-:

    The GAA CCCC - is more “Ah lads, it wasn’t in the refs report, that means we can ignore it, was no badness in it anyway “

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Is it not more the case, that if it IS in the refs report they are almost certain not to do anything about it?

    Like whatever chance and it is quite rare of them taking retrospective action against a player/manager, it will most likely be because it isn't in the refs report?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,833 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    In rugby the management team are generally up in the stand.

    In soccer managers routinely make fools of themselves and get away with it. The behaviour of both benches in the recent Champions League semi with Atletico and Arsenal was embarrassing and nothing came of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,615 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    And no ref will. However he will be more attuned to that player committing that foul.

    You are incorrect if it was not in the referee's report they can take a tion. If its in the report and seen by officials and no action taken it is dealt with.

    It would not be appropriate for action to be continually taken on TV footage whete the refereeis aware of what was happening. . Especially as high profile matches will have more scrutiny than other matches

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    I don’t think many are shocked at the decision , quite the opposite, either relieved if it’s your team or unsurprisingly cynical because of how it was handled.

    The CCC can get involved, they simply chose not to which is why their “our hands are tied” response is enraging people. The manner in which they choose to administer penalties , by backing officials incorrect handling of incidents doesn’t make their decision correct. It simply highlights how dysfunctional the process is run and it leaves it open to fair scrutiny and questions of bias because they absolutely can recommend a penalty.

    If McGuinness thumped the head off the Kerry lad and the same ref report was submitted the CCC absolutely would have done something. The point here being , most would agree they can intervene if they want but they chose not to here (their hands weren’t tied).

    In Brennans case there was no budge on the 12 weeks, the “our hands are tied approach” similarly taken and a sort of “this incident is too important and we want the message to get out”, kind of narrative pushed.

    So if the rule break is so important to uphold, the CCC for some reason decided it wasn’t important enough to act on here. So the rule is important to ban a manager for a season but not review the incorrect handling by ref (or hiding behind ref report).

    I’m not angry they didn’t penalise McGuinness , I’m angry Ger Brennan effectively got a season ban in a quite savage zero tolerance approach , for what many would consider is a similar offence by rules of law (manager laying hand on opponent). The message they are sending is all over the place and people are right to call it out. If it’s severe enough to ban one manager for a season it’s severe enough for CCC to get involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,615 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    On a scale of 1-10 what McGuniness did a push was 2 or3 what Brennan did was 6 on the scale. If McGuinnes struck the player it would be a 7 or 8, and ifbhe beat the head off him it would have been a 10 on the scale. I would expect and I an fairly sure if McGuniness did exactly the same as Brennan or either of the other two actions he would have been carded and banned.

    Was Brennans harsh and if McGuniness repeated the push offence in another match I expect he will het zero leincy and be carded

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    There's a reason when there's a row at a match people are nearly falling over one another to get a look. As you say everybody loves a bit of argy bargy. When the meath mayo all Ireland 1996 is mentioned the row is what everyone this of.

    Obviously players getting punched in the face like mchugh is unacceptable and we do not want that in our game but the hand wringing over Clifford and mcguinness is laughable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff



    The problem with your assumptions is they actually made the opposite argument in Brennans case. There is no ambiguity we were told, no 6/10 rating to decide if the manager deserves a sanction.

    With Ger Brennan he was penalised under the rule that “Any type of physical interference with an opposing player or team official”. Hard to make an argument that McGuinness did anything but with the Kerry lad.

    At the Brennan incident , the GAA itself framed physical interference by officials as something requiring major punishment. And they argued that the rules themselves set the minimum sanction so their hands were tied.

    So for Brennan , it had nothing to do with severity of incident, they were absolute on the rule and how it’s zero tolerance in how it’s applied.


    This is why people are complaining. Not because it’s McGuinness or Donegal , but because in Brennan case they said it’s a simple rule , touch an opponent is 12 weeks because its a breach that requires a severe punishment.

    If it’s that severe , that they used this narrative to justify throwing the book at Brennan , then in McGuinness case the ref didn’t handle it correctly and the CCC were obliged to get involved. Either a breach of rule is severe like they said in Brennans case or it isn’t , otherwise they are simply applying the rules as it suits and using different levers (refs report) depending on what outcome they want.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Kerry players be better off concentrating on the football instead getting wound up by likes of Yarragh O'Se articles. Foley and Morley were berating David Coldrick from the throw in while they were involved in off the ball incidents themselves. They also with Breen swarmed around Murphy when the row broke out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    What joirnalists and media pundits are you referring to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    but there is no scale though .thats the thing obviously designed to be zero tolerance.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    But it is the high profile matches that the general public see, all the more reason to have more scrutiny at them.

    I actually had no problem with Brennan’s ban, thought oh this must be a GAA HQ detective actual application of the rulebook. A bit harsh but if other managers get treated the same fair enough. But it is clearly not the case. The rules are only applied on an ad hoc basis. And here we are back to the same auld GAA incoherently applying their own rules.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    If McGuinness thumped the head off the Kerry lad and the same ref report was submitted the CCC absolutely would have done something.

    The more likely scenario is that if McGuinness thumped the head off the Kerry lad it would have been brought to the refs notice and he would have given him a red card.

    The CCCC would have then given him a 12 week ban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    And if the ref didn’t see it , the CCC would get involved. Point stands , the CCC lied, their hands weren’t tied they just chose to brush this under the carpet after making a huge statement with Brennan on how the rule was so important there was no other way to handle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Your scenario involves McGuinness "thumping the head off the Kerry lad"

    In all probability that sort of action would get the attention of the ref fairly quickly, linesman, fourth official, umpires etc would likely have seen some of it and notified the ref.

    So the chance of the ref missing or not being informed of such an egregious act as "thumping the head off" someone are slim.

    Much slimer than the ref missing a simple push in an already heated environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    The point is simple, the CCCs can intervene when they consider something is serious. They said the rule breach was so serious that they had to follow through with Brennan. Therefore it didn’t matter how much interaction McGuinness had with an opponent, he broke a rule that G.A.A. said themselves has to have a severe penalty.

    The minimum is 12 weeks supposedly to reflect how serious the GAA consider the rule breach. But it’s not serious enough to address a breach when a ref doesn’t handle it according to the rules. Inconsistent message from G.A.A. and inconsistent application of the rules. Most think it was just the G.A.A. suiting the outcome they wanted and it’s hard to see otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,234 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    We get it.

    The big bad bogeyman Jim McGuinness got away with attempted murder while little oul innocent choirboy Brennan was discriminated against.

    Its over, move on and enjoy the rest of the championship, if your not too incensed by the inner-workings of the CCCC of course.

    Jim McGuinness. Hated, adored, never ignored.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff



    It’s easy for you to say “enjoy the championship”. I’ve to watch my team, who were already struggling, without our manager because they applied contradictory arguments in how they handled both.


    What’s with the chest thumping about McGuinness ? I’ve no issue with him , think it would have been very harsh for him to get 12 weeks , I’m just angry the G.A.A. took such an absolute position with Brennan and totally different approach here that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.



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