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Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

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  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Sorry yes. I think I got confused.

    So I have a dealer in NI sourcing a car for me. They did explain if they have to source one from GB I'd be liable for VAT (I think).

    But what I'm trying to figure out at what stage I pay this. Is it just bundled into the price of the car (i.e. I pay it to the dealer)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Your just paying for the car. And are you supplied with a SAD or CCS document



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I don't know which document I get, I haven't got that far yet. Just trying to understand the difference in buying a NI reg car vs a GB reg car. The reason I am asking is the dealer is a family friend, so he is telling me he can obtain the car for £x, but he'd have to charge me £x+VAT because he'd be sourcing it from GB.

    I just wanted to make sure that at the stage where I bring it to the VRT centre there is no difference whether it was a GB or NI reg. They aren't going to turn around and say I have to pay VRT and some other cost on top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Depending on the circumstances you could have to pay additional customs on a NI reg car, and no additional customs on a UK reg car. It all depends how it was imported and how long it's been in the country etc. If the UK car was imported properly by a dealer and you are supplied with the necessary paperwork there will be no additional customs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I don’t think they can do that if it’s intended to move outside NI. They need to import on spec from GB with an expectation that it will remain in Mai and provided they do the import fully then there are no further formalities if it happens to move to EU. NI is not supposed to be a back door.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 205 ✭✭pakb1ue


    Just to give an update on my experience. Found a car on usedcarsni which had been already registered in NI for a few years. I didn't have any insurance in my own name at this point. I rang up a few insurance companies and a few companies wouldn't insure the car unless it had Irish plates. I ended up going with Allianz (and their website lets you enter a UK car registration plates) and I had 30 days to put the car on Irish plates. VRT was pretty straight forward even if it did cost 34% of what I paid for the car. That said it did work out few thousand cheaper for the same car in the south. I ended up cancelling the insurance with Allianz for free as I was within my 14 day cooling off period and got a full refund even though I had the insurance for a few days.

    I'm happy so far with my purchase but I guess I'll reserve judge until I get the car through it's NCT in September.

    Special shout out to User1998 for all your help and advise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭mankteln


    Thanks for the update, always good to hear how a recent experience went especially as I was wondering how the recent update to revenue had changed things.

    Can I check a few bits from your experience:

    Did you buy privately or from a dealer and if a dealer was the V5 in last private owner's name?

    What did you have to submit to revenue? The recent update makes it sound like they look for service history, insurance record, and MOT on top of the previous V5 change date being sufficiently in the past, did you have to give those?

    The insurance bit is handy to know, must keep it in mind myself. I'm assuming you'd another car with your no claims bonus on at the start?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭wassie


    The insurance bit is handy to know, must keep it in mind myself. I'm assuming you'd another car with your no claims bonus on at the start?

    Its fairly normal for insurers to give policy holders 30 days on UK plates in order to allow you time to import and get the car registered in ROI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 205 ✭✭pakb1ue


    I bought from a dealer working from his house (which seems to quite common in the north).

    For my VRT appointment I had the V5 document with the previous owners name, address (which was in NI) and the date they acquired the car. As the previous owner held the car for more than a year so I wasn't asked any questions around MOT, insurance record etc. I also had to give an extremely bad photocopy of the invoice I received from the dealer.

    No, I only had named driver experience prior to this insurance, which counted as 3 years no claims bonus according to one of the documents they sent me. Another option was to transfer one of get one of the cars I was a named driver to this car temporarily just to bring the car to the south but the other car would have to be off the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Lottie125


    looking at buying a NI car from a dealer, does the V5 still need to be in a private individuals name as it is an NI car from new? Or am I correct in thinking because it’s NI car then only vrt applies?

    I also heard a change is coming on 11th June that the car must have been brought into Ni before brexit to be able to clear without vat and customs although that’s only hearsay not sure if there’s any truth to it, but. That’s why I’ve chosen to buy a NI reg even though it costs more because I’m worried there would be trouble when trying to VRT.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 BalticBear


    Has the VRT framework changed recently for private used owned imports from Northern Ireland.

    Is it no longer a V5C with 3 months ownership in Northern Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Seems like its still 3 months, with some additional proof required now. This proof was already required, and then not required, and now seems like its required again.

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  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Lads still a bit confused about all of this.

    Looking at buying a NI car from a NI dealer. Am I right in thinking that if:

    1. The V5C has a NI address reg on it
    2. Service history in NI

    That all I will pay is the car price in GBP to the dealer, and then VRT down here. Exact same as it was pre-Brexit. No customs, no additional VAT etc?

    Where I might get stung is if the dealer has just imported this car from GB to sell in the NI market, and in that case I will get done for customs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    No. If the dealer has just imported the car from the UK you won't get stung for customs. Assuming they give you a CCS or SAD. In that case the V5C details are irrelevant.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    So I'm very confused so. I've seen a lot about needing an NI V5C etc (including the bit you highlighted in your last post), where/when does this come into it?

    I guess my question is, if I buy a car from a NI dealer and bring it down here, what is the scenario that can come up where I get stung for more than just VRT like it used to be pre-Brexit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998




  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Thanks!

    So I've sourced a car in NI, all good. But the main dealer isn't allowed to sell to ROI (presumably to protect their main dealers down here).

    I have an address in NI I can use (my parents address) to buy it, and then import from there. Which means I'd need to tax it in NI and presumably wait for the V5C to arrive in the post before I can bring it to the VRT centre? Not sure they'd hand me the V5C in this scenario.

    Am I right in thinking this will have no impact on any process down here (other than the car will presumably have an additional owner listed on the log book)? Will the VRT office care if the previous registered owner name is already me with a UK address?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    If its a NI car from new and you have proof of such then it shouldn't be an issue but you should probably just put someone else's name on the V5



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Does it matter if the invoice has my UK address rather than my ROI address when I go for VRT? Does the address on the invoice matter or just the date?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998




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  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Another question has arisen!

    The car I am buying is a ex-demo company car, so the registered owner on the V5C is going to be the dealer name rather than an individual.

    Do you think this would be a problem with revenue?

    Edit: I think it will, I think they'll want the customs form. Damn it.

    But how does it work if the vehicle wasn't imported from GB by the dealer? IF the car has NI plates is this all irrelevant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Again, since the car has never been in mainland UK it should not matter. But, I cannot guarantee Revenue or VRT staff will see it this way. It might be worth logging into ROS and submitting a VRT enquiry

    But you mentioned you would be changing the ownership to a Northern Ireland family address, in which case the old V5 will never be seen.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea I've logged a VRT enquiry. Hopefully they actually answer me and don't fob me off.

    The changing address thing wouldn't help anyway, they wouldn't accept the change of address being so recent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭plonker


    Hi

    looking at buying a 2023 bike in the Uk

    it has 3000 miles on it

    I can put it in a mates name and address in Belfast

    is it 3 or 6 months

    will i need to get the miles up to avoid vat and customs

    just looking at ways to pay vrt only

    thanx

    John



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    What are you looking at?

    New bike prices have gone crazy in the south.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Needs to have 6000km on the clock when you bring it for VRT to avoid VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭k123456


    My experience of importing an EV

    Learn a huge amount from this thread

    saved approx 7000 eu on a 2024 EV

    some marques have more savings than others

    Mine was a UK mainland reg, NI dealer was able to provide a SAD doc, I did find quite a few dealers cant or wont do this

    Bank Transfer : use Revolut Premium ac instead of using a traditional ROI bank will save 100's (except at weekend)

    the OMSP can be appealed, if you feel VRT charges are excessive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Lottie125


    new rules came in as of 11th June but not sure if it’s just now the vrt centres are requiring the proof of MOT but also heard people say. They want to see bank statements to show proof of purchase. So buying and registered up north for 3 months wouldn’t work as payment date needs to match the written invoice. Not sure how true it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 BalticBear


    Can you send on the official new rules? Only update I can see is the Revenue document dated 26 of May.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Fraud finally being counteracted, how surprising when people advocate it in public fora.



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