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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Gavin isn't long back, a couple of games with a mistake or two isn't surprising. He's our best 13 and we should stick with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I really hope we don't go with Gilbert at 13, we've lost so much in attack when West has gone off the past two games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    I'm a fan of Gavin's raw talent, power and pace whats not to love about that? However there is lots to improve on with regards to handling and defensive work.

    Imo he is finishing the season as a fairly distant 3/4th choice centre but could with the right improvements be well up the pecking order come the start of the season.

    There are new competitors to consider as well with the return of Ralston the addition of Frawley and Walsh in the academy so it won't get easier.

    We certainly have a great crop of centres for Bundee to mentor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭AccidentallyOnside


    Gavins talent is very obvious but he looks for too many collisions, on both sides of the ball, that he was dominating at underage, but he's hunting in a different jungle now and needs to adapt his game, which I'm sure he'll do with experience.

    That's a long way of saying I don't think we can risk him in a game this big yet, but his time will definitely come.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Niyi, TOH, Healy and Buckley? Turned out they were bang average and JS was right to ignore them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I think some of those guys were unlucky to not win more (any) caps. Chris Henry could have been considered average for much of his career, but played a key role in a 6 nations winning team. Unheralded names such as Mike McCarthy, Dan Tuohy, Robin Copeland, Darren Cave, Dave Kearney, Felix Jones, Robbie Diack, James Cronin, Ian Keatley, Billy Holland, Roger Wilson, etc. all featured in the 6 nations winning squads of 2014 and 2015.

    I don't think either Healy or Adeolokun were particularly hard done by, but Niyi would have had a very high ceiling if he had gotten into a high level setup at a younger age, or if there was a national sevens programme at the time.

    O'Halloran was definitely more talented than the average Irish outside back at the time, durable, and had a lot of experience at a young age. He was extremely unlucky to get injured in that South Africa game in 2016 when he was playing quite well from what I remember. Apparently he dirtied his bib at some point by going on the piss while in Ireland camp, and he declined quite young, presumably as a result of playing first team rugby straight out of school.

    I still think that Buckley was the second best loosehead in the country for a spell, behind Jack McGrath. It's easy forget because he came back so strongly around 2017/18, but there was a time when Cian Healy was really struggling for form post neck injury, maybe around 2014 or 2015. Maybe Buckley was too small but I think squat looseheads were still viable in the early to mid 2010s. Thomas Domingo was very effective for France at the time. I think the game did move away from players like Denis, and he suffered when referees started clamping on hands on the ground before a jackal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭kita99


    I cannot forget Gavin Thornbury. If he didn't get nasty injury, ……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    Great post - agree with it all.

    As an aside, since you mentioned it, the focus on jacklers hands on the ground has gone overboard in my opinion - the onus should really be on whether they are supporting their bodyweight. Lads being penalised for a momentary glance of the ground with their hands, when others are getting away with kneeling fully on another player really annoys me, and it happens all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    One of the form teams and also two of the best coached teams going H2H.

    I'd say all of the Connacht players believe they will win this game. BR will smash 'em up!

    “Throughout the game, we knew we were playing against a team that was top of the table and although they had internationals missing, their team was strong in terms of experience.

    “So for us to go down, then find a way back and win the game in the end was huge – not just for this season, but also for some of the really young players who were on the field at the end. So, great for belief, a step in the right direction and a sweet one to enjoy.”

    Connacht had held the most slender of leads when Joe Joyce was yellow-carded in the 58th minute. Almost immediately, Glasgow – with Lancaster’s son, Dan Lancaster, playing outhalf – scored an unconverted try through right wing Kyle Rowe. Incredibly, it was their first score of the game and it gave them momentum. A minute before the sinbin was completed, Rowe bagged his second unconverted try, extending the visitors’ lead to 10-3.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2026/02/28/connacht-deliver-biggest-win-of-the-season-against-glasgow/

    My Guess at the teams.

    Connacht:

    S Gilbert; S Jennings, H West J Devine, C Forde Bundee, F Treacy Bolton;

    J Ioane, C Blade B Murphy;

    D Buckley Bohan, D Tierney-Martin, S Illo Bealham; D O’Connor D Murray, J Joyce;

    P Boyle Prendergast, S O’Brien SHL, S Jansen.

    Replacements:

    M Victory de Buitléar, Buckley or Dooley, J Aungier Illo,

    J Murphy, C Prendergast Boyle,

    C Reilly M Devine, J Carty or Naughton ?

    B Aki, Gavin or Naughton ?

    Glasgow:

    J McKay; K Rowe, S McDowall, K Yule Tuipulotu, O Smith Steyn;

    D Lancaster, B Afshar Horne;

    J Bhatti Schickerling, S Stephen Matthews, M Walker Fagerson; J Oguntibeju, A Samuel;

    E Ferrie, A Fraser Fagersun, A Miller Dempsey

    Replacements:

    G Hiddleston, Bhatti, S Talakai,

    A Craig, S Vailanu, M Duncan Cummings?

    J Oliver Afshar, A Hastings Dobie or Smith?

    Glasgow 19-27 Connacht

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    We could have six or more players in the RWC squad. SHL will be eligible and I can see him going straight in as the starter with Prendergast at 6. When Conan goes I think Jansen makes the 23. Hansen and Bohan are certainties, Murray is already there and Gavin and Murphy are possibilities. You've then got West and Bolton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Not yet convinced about Gavin, i think he's probably for me 4th choice in the pecking order without injuries to other players, but we might need to rely on him in the short term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    I have a feeling Sam Ilo will start, but either way, we're in good shape at tight head. I would assume anyone who was listed as needing further assessment will miss out, which includes Darragh Murray and Harry West. Dooley will presumably be the backup loose head. Josh Murphy and Joe Joyce start in the row, with Paul Boyle starting at 8 in place of Jansen, and Sean O'Brien coming into the bench. I love Jack, but I'm not sure we should continue with him and Sean Naughton on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I wasnt sure if Illo or Bealham would get the nod. (nice dilemma!)

    Thanks

    Jesus I hope Jansen isnt out.

    As much as I genuinely admire Boyle as a player and a leader, Jansen is now an 80min powerhouse. He's going to get capped this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    https://www.connachtrugby.ie/news/squad-update-monday-25th-may/bp3737/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Based on players returning I would hope that DTM starts, that Naughton would be 22 and Finn Treacy will be 23. I've been impressed with his performances this year. As said before I think Devine outside Bundee is the way to go.

    If Darragh Murray is injured I would go with Niall Murray and Josh in the second row with Joe Joyce on the bench. If Jansen is out we have to go with Boyle and O'Brien on the bench.

    On another matter I believe Will Connors will do well under Lancaster. I believe he will appreciate the more versatile rugby Connacht play versus the crash bang rugby Leinster play. I think Stuart will get him fitter than he ever has been and he will enjoy his time running around players rather than running through players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Wow. Why would that even be considered. Devine has been amazing. Bizarre statement. Or are you suggesting we must play Devine at 13.

    If I were to raise a possible question in the backline it would be Gilbert. While I have been most impressed with so many players Gilbert is the one I have least been impressed by. He needs a big game on Friday more than most. His fielding of the ball has been nothing more than average at the same time when we won all our URC games. And that just shows how other players compensated for him in this team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Hansen hasn't played a game in a year. If he is a certatainty don't you see something wrong with that



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Unless something awful happens he's the best back three player in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭kita99


    I think Glasgow is not stronger than Stormers. But they seem more speedy than other teams in URC. Connacht (Under dog) must fight with most bold and audacious selection and tactics if they want to win. If Glasgow use Dan Lancaster, he is an only weak-point of them. He has not been allowed open-area kicking (except touch kicking at penalties) and his passing and running abilities seems below the Connacht players' revel. Their attacking key-man seems only Horne (SH). So Connacht constantly must apply huge pressure. Who is the right man or men? And McDowall is very big CTB, so Connacht should use big man as same as him. I think that FWs of both teams are almost equal if D. Murray is OK. And if Jansen is OK, Connacht will win at the break down. (if possible Connacht use Boyle as an impact-player.) Good luck, Connacht.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    This is what I was wondering about Jansen in Feb last year.

    -Is he going to be anything more than a 60min or 20min impact player at 8?-

    He had scored scored a try and 80' in that Lyon game.

    Played 3 more 80min games after that last season:
    29th March - Munster: Scored 2 tries.
    5th April - Cardiff: Scored 1 try.
    12th April - Racing 92. In that 40-43 defeat. That fateful day Lancaster saw the light!

    If Jansen is fit and they can also spring Boyle from the bench I'm confident Connacht will win.

    This season he has put in 10 or 11 80min games and delivered manys a big performance.

    Scoring 12 tries and also big numbers in defence. 3rd in tackle count in URC.

    https://stats.unitedrugby.com/clubs/connacht/sean-jansen

    Played brilliantly v Gla (Feb) & scored last min try to win it.

    Untitled Image

    Bringing 'The FEAR of GOD'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭b.gud




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    There is nothing like a good pitch invasion!

    It was great to see them returning this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I think the calls this weekend could be interesting. To date Jack has been provided with the 22 shirt which suggests to me Naughton is considered 3rd choice out-half. That puzzles me personally. And with Finn Treacy available he has to be the 23. In which a huge decision is awaiting team selection tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Based on a Zeugnis comment about 39 man squads I searched on this with Leinster included. And it seems they live within this. Now obviously Leinster can't live within such confines when it is the major provider to the International team.

    So my question is this. If Connacht last year provided 2 players to the International team and next year (arbitrary number) provide 7 players to the International squad. How does that work? Clearly their 39 man squad will no longer be enough. So how does the system compensate, not financially, but in further required players in such a case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,997 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    As far as I'm aware Leinster has a squad of 45 players. They have an 'A' squad though.

    I'd magine that academy players do not count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Former Coach


    Had forgotten that we had two tries disallowed in that game. Some team!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Former Coach


    My view is that Gavin is an out and out No.12 and a potentially very good one at that.



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