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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026 - See Post #1 for Mod Note

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Russell overtakes Antonelli who immediately locks up and is lucky to not take them out.

    Edit: wrong thread lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    Oh I should have looked who posted and just ignored it. I know better now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Didn't see it at the time, assuming it was during a water break…but again even at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    They’ve been singing “we want our Chelsea back” for a while now. Looks like they got their wish, mid table finish. Just need the 10,000 crowd and the 3 wheel cars behind the goal and it’s back to the way it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    And so is the end of the 25/26 PL season.

    In my eyes, it was a season bereft of real attacking quality and good footballing teams. It was the year of set pieces, the long throw, the corner kicks wrestling matches and more set pieces.

    Of today's 10 matches, 6 of them had their first goal scored via a set piece. Over half of the games.

    16 teams scored today. Nearly half of them (Man Utd, Fulham, Aston Villa, Wolves, Forest, Spurs and West Ham) all scored their first goal via a set piece today. Arsenal scored their 2nd goal via a set piece too.

    Arsenal scored from 19 corners IIRC, which set a new premier league record.

    Bruno set an assist record of 21 assists. 13 of those came from set piece situations.

    Fair play to Arsenal, they finally got the job done after a few years of finishing runners up. They played the system the best and used this new set piece league to their advantage as they were clearly the best at scoring from them, and using their wrestling and NFL routines, but also defending them, and defending in general.

    Excellent at controlling the space and the game off of the ball, and that slow mundane possession in the middle third. As a few managers have said recently, they're the best team in the world off of the ball. They only scored 71 goals overall, in the league this season, which is the lowest amount of goals scored by a champion, by a long distance, since Leicester a decade ago.

    Over a third of these were via set pieces, but more importantly an awful lot of these were opening goals or go-ahead goals which then allowed them to bring the mundane control game into play. No better example of this was in the recent game against Burnley in which they were basically confirmed champions. Burnley were already relegated and people expected Arsenal to win by a few goals to boost their goal difference in case City beat Bournemouth. Arsenal scored via a set piece and then controlled the game from there on out.

    Liverpool never really got a handle on the whole set pieces thing and was a large reason why they suffered so much this season. They sacked their set piece coach and brought in another one which coincided with a big upturn in results racking up a few wins in a row. I was at one game at Anfield which boasted 7 goals and if I remember correctly 5 of them were via set pieces. Overall Liverpool were poor, had multiple injury issues, and the obvious mental drain of losing a teammate in tragic circumstances yet still qualified for next seasons Champions League with what I think is a record low points tally. Which says a lot about the quality of the league.

    Here's hoping to a better footballing league next season. A clampdown on the NFL routines & wrestling will be needed though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Arsenal did indeed do well from set pieces this season, although I think a high percentage of their goals were from phase play after the set piece, rather than directly from the set pieces. I'm sure a lot of these situations were planned for, which goes to show the amount of detail they went to.

    It will be fascinating to see what happens next year with the general type of play we'll see in the league. There seems to be some weird consensus that Arsenal being good at set pieces is the reason why the entire league has been generally rubbish at attacking play.

    This season ended up very competitive through the mid-table. Liverpool's 60 points earned them Champion's League this season, but almost any other season this would only be good enough for 8th or 9th. West Ham's 39 points would have also had them well and truly safe in virtually any season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    How many years ago was Sunderland til i die? In my mind its only 5/6 years ago, to go from that & the shower of asshats in charge, to europe is incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I think Arsenal have absolutely no excuse for not defending one for the first time post WWII.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    A bit much the day after lifting the league for the first time in 22 years, no?

    With no idea how teams will strengthen and develop over the summer and into next season, I think it's a bit over the top to say a team will have no excuse for not winning before a ball has been kicked.

    Based on form since stabilising things around Carrick and apparently having the best player in the league and the best signing of last season filling in a glaring gap in the team, you'd expect United to be in the running.

    City won't take losing two years in a row lying down unless Sheikh Mansour decides to follow the Saudis on cutting back on their sports washing budgets.

    I think I'll enjoy the buzz for a few more days and see what happens on Saturday before worrying about next season though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Well one team quite recently won the league at a canter, spent close to 500 million and finished 25 points off the lead the following season so who know..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭BenK


    If the quality of the league is as bad as a lot of people make out, the rest of Europe must be in real bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭jacool


    I don't think this statement makes sense necessarily.

    People across Europe may well be watching better football. 72% of the players currently playing in the EPL have come from "foreign" leagues, so there's talent out there.

    In England they get to be fitter, stronger, better paid and, I would argue, require less skill to play to the "systems".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Arsenal finish the season without conceding a penalty or getting a red card. First time either of those has happened according The Athletic.
    Bournemouth finish with 18 draws, a record for a 38 game season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭FreshG


    Yep terrible season alright. One of the worst in recent memory which is in perfect symmetry with the current Chelsea ownership. But we still won a trophy and are still world champions are you pointed out.

    We will probably play more than the minimum 40 games next season, as you benefitted from massively this season. When an average manager like Carrick can use this massive advantage to his benefit so much, I can only image what a proper league winning manager like Alonso can achieve with us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭FreshG


    That's incredible really.

    To have every single contentious refereeing decision or VAR decision surrounding a red card or penalty fall in your favour. For an entire season.

    There was so much talk online from Arsenal fans last year about a PGMOL conspiracy against them. Referees out to get them, etc. Ian Wright had his weekly segment on the Overlap crying about PGMOL decisions against Arsenal. Arsenal fans believed it so much that they sent death threats to Michael Oliver and his family. Were the PGMOL all too scared to make a decision against Arsenal this season?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭G1032


    What does it say about the quality of the league so? To me it says it's packed with very good teams all able to take points off one another. It points to an extremely competitive league. Liverpool's low points tally getting them into 5th and WHU not surviving with 39 points would suggest less dead wood in the PL, so points were spread more evenly across the table instead of being hoovered up by a few top clubs while the bottom three collapsed.

    Liverpool were, on the face of it, 'poor' overall, but using Liverpool's poor season as a stick to beat the rest of the PL and label it as poor quality (certainly inferred in your post) is disingenuous. Liverpool finished 5th on 60 points, and their finishing position makes a lot of sense once you split their season by opponent finishing position. They were very good against the bottom half, but poor against the teams that finished in the top four. They only took 7 points from 8 games v the top 4 (from what I can make out) . They weren't quite good enough to compete with the top 4 (top 3 especially) but had more than enough in them to gather up the points again the teams that finished below them.

    Arsenal and Palace are both preparing for European finals and Villa have already won one, which also might indicate that your implied suggestion it's a weak league is wide of the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    The genetic composite of all the greatest managers of all time couldn't fix the clusterf*ck that is the Executive team at Chelsea.


    A fella who was given the boot after a few months in his most recent position.....well at least his stint at Chelsea will feel familiar to him.

    Edit to clarify that this is a commentary on Madrid and Chelsea rather than a critique of Alonso himself who looks like he has the potential to be a great manager. Can see him doing very well again when he goes somewhere else in a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,771 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    No. Arsenal (like most other clubs) consulted with PGMOL throughout the season regarding their own failings and worked as a club to correct these on every level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    when Liverpool and City were running away with the league I think people were saying it said the quality was lacking.


    now that it’s far tighter and unpredictable people are saying the quality is lacking.


    conclusion: some people just like moaning about the quality of the league



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭jacool


    The league is not weak financially, which is why we could end up with a 3rd English side in 4 years winning the Conference League, if Crystal Palace defeat Rayo Vallecano. Brighton go into that competition next season and may well have the best squad by miles in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    While there has been some reasonable and fair critique from people who don't like the aesthetic of this Arsenal team for example, there is a whiff of 'the league is sh*te, except when my team is winning, then it's great' from some alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    I think flair is bludgeoned out of players these days, in favour of stat based robots. No Glen Hoddle, Matt le Tiss, Ginola, Eric Cantona, Gazza etc.

    Jack Grealish is the most recent maverick type player and look what happened to him. Bought by a manager that didn’t want him for a club that didn’t want anyone else having him. Such a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I don’t agree with that take on Grealish. If Pep didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have signed him. He was excellent in their treble winning season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Just on the debate about the league lacking quality, I don’t think it does. I think it’s dull, which is different. Free kicks, corners, throw ins and kick outs all take 30-40 seconds. It’s just boring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    it maybe a stupid take but I think Sunderland would have been better off in Conference next season instead. Much easier group stage to negotiate which will probably allow resting players and much better chance of winning it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I actually meant it as a compliment to Arsenal. They're an incredibly stable and consistent team and it's been built slowly with a foundation that's so solid it's hard to imagine they'd be weaker next season.

    I can't see City not having issues post pep.

    Regarding Liverpool, I think they've really messed up and don't see a quick fix there. United are not a million miles away but with more games I can't see how they will compete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    Hopefully you're right. But I wont be looking past this season yet. Delighted to finally win the big league after 22 seasons. Hopefully a first champions league title for the club as well. Arteta has done an amazing job since he came in. Look at the state of the club when he took over, to what it is now. 💪



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It'll be interesting how the corner situation is dealt with. If theres no change there could be some more bruisers brought in. Hartson, Shittu, Jaidi, Elokobi were all from the wrong era, Akinfenwa woulda probably made the PL aswell.



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