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Man murdered in Blanchardstown vs Man killed on Henry street

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Agreed, it's a shocking situation compared to public transport from other airports I go to. I take a cab these days.

    Thank God that we benefitted from getting 40 billion from the EU since the 70s which went a long way towards developing the country. It was "free money" in a sense since we haven't paid it back.

    I look at it as a form of reparations for the famine and colonialism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,714 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Of course...his only crime was being black....and shoplifting....and 50 plus other charges seemingly...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    what about those concerned about it and who think our immigration intake-refusals should be greatly reduced-increased. I mean, “ranting” can be subjective..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,066 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thankfully summary execution is not the penalty for that. Whether you are black, white etc.
    If it was accidental, then steps need to be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again.
    If excessive force was used (knee in neck etc) charges should be brought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,066 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ranting about the 3rd world is not the way to go about raising concerns. Concerns can be discussed without racism and nonsense tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,714 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Did I say it was?

    Let's see what the investigation finds, either way I am not seeing how this incident was related to race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It’s these descriptions like summary execution that are in no way helpful. They are extremely harmful. None those security men set out that day to execute anyone, and you know that!! But using descriptions like this only leads to stirring up racial tensions, the exact thing you also seem to be complaining about from people who are taking about the problem with immigrants in Ireland. This is exactly what likes a Coppinger n Murphy are at. You want to go down that path?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,066 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well the sarcasm in your answer would certainly suggest an excuse for what was done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    that’s my point. Who decides it’s ranting (racist) vs. decent and non-racist objection? Some people are afraid to even broach the immigration subject because of the fear that some will jump on the you’re a racist card



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    There is clear two tier levels of reporting in relation to these stories

    In today’s Sunday Independent the Congolese man gets a full page spread as well an opinion column

    The Blanchardstown murder gets a small “news in brief” paragraph

    I find OPs commentary somewhat OTT but those who are also trying to pretend there has been equal coverage given are literally lying



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    but that’s always been the way, the news way. Some stories evoke much more interest and debate and emotion etc. And the Henry Street death will garner a lot more interest than the assault killing. Look at us on boards. We’re way more discussing Henry Street



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,714 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    No sarcasm. Let's see what the investigation comes up with, and again like I said I don't think any indication it is race related despite the protestations of the usual numpties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,066 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because the 3rd world nonsense is nothing but irrational ranting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭CardF


    we're bringing over people who were raised in places where the law is different and where life is different.

    and they don't just leave their upbringing at home.
    life is very cheap in parts of the world, that attitude comes with some of them.

    in many places in the world murder is just a question of how big a bribe you need to pay.
    or of your position in the hierarchy.

    you might live by enlightened modern morals but they dont and have no intention to.

    they never use the cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Has there been a recent rule change on the site to allow discussion of matters which are before the courts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Similar things are said about people from deprived areas in ireland where criminality is high and are basically no go zones at night. Should we take away the passport of every Irish person then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭CardF


    We can't take away peoples passports.

    Also I don't think the message is getting through, the worst parts of Ireland are like upper class parts of some countries.

    Whats out there is a whole lot worse, and gives way fewer shts. Bed and board in an Irish prison is not a deterrant.

    they never use the cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    Ireland is gone to fcuk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    Why do you need to bring in the Palestinians to this or the Irish support for the Palestinian cause? A genocide took place and continues to take place. 900 killed since the last " ceasefire". Irish people saying that is wrong is a good thing, surely?

    The crime that took place in Blanch is disgusting. I was sent a copy of the video and deleted it immediately. The whole thing fills me with rage and I could not bring myself to watch that poor man's last moments. My blood boils at the thought. I have a view that in cases like these the death penalty needs serious reconsidering. I appreciate I am in a minority with that view but the arrogance. cowardliness and absolute 0 mercy shown to such an innocent target needs the full force of state law behind it. I do not believe present deterrents suffice.

    Not to go off track. My point is we can say what happened in Blanchardstown is wrong. and support stronger punishment. We can also say what the Palestinians suffer is inhumane and needs our full support too. The Blanchardstown crime is actually remiscent of Israeli behaviour in the West Bank.

    I do not see why one cause is viewed to be or has to be at the expense of the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Are people being wilfully thick? I mean, the difference between a man being killed by a couple of scumbags, and a man being killed by security staff on a busy shopping street? One is rarer than the other. Whence its newsworthiness arises.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Theres no evidence that Mr. Sakila was killed by security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Ok, he just happened to pass away while they were on him. See, this is what I mean about wilful thickness. Sort of missing the point I was making altogether. Which is that one situation is rare (and therefore very newsworthy) and the other is sadly less rare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No, the newsworthiness has arisen from the Congolese gentleman being a foreigner and black.

    Truth is if it was your normal dublin serial shoplifter that this happened to it would be in the papers for a day and that would be it, there would be no wider discussion about it, no international outlets picking up on it, no scumbag politicians using it to rabble rouse and hope for it to be our "George Floyd moment"

    This incident has provided some good as it does highlight that a lot of lefty politicians like Holly Cairns, Eileen Flynn, Coppinger etc are genuinely scum and basically want to rabble rouse rather than being sensible mature politicians to call things as they actually are and fix issues as opposed to just using things to gain attention for themselves and get idiots to vote for them. Politicians like that are every bit as bad as the "far right" but they have enough media running cover for them so they get treated by most of the main stream media as respectable individuals rather than the scumbags that they are, they're no better than the likes of Justin Barrett and genuine far right nuts who are rightly seen as loons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    If it was your average Dublin shoplifter, I suspect there would also be less glee from certain quarters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Not that I'm aware of.

    Nobody in this thread actually cares though. It's been pointed out at least twice and it's still a free-for-all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Post mortem results failed to find any visible external injuries on his body or establish a cause of death. A post mortem is very thorough medical procedure. The pathologist would have open the deceased body, removed the organs for examination, took tissue samples and looked for internal causes, e.g trauma and internal bleeding The focus is probably now on toxicology reports and these can take time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    He was just your average Dublin shoplifter. In what way wasn't he? Better than most at thieving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    I read earlier that a relative has flown to Dublin to claim the remains for repatriation to the Congo. This means the post-mortem process is now over.

    His cause of death was undetermined and it will most likely depend now on toxicology reports in the next few weeks. Without visible signs of trauma it's looking very unlikely that security guards caused or contributed to this man's death.

    Eileen Flynn's and others inflammatory and premature remarks might come back to bite them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Not a hope, they will just conveniently forget they were ever mentioned and it will be left at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2026/0524/1575027-alex-coughlan-vigil/

    RTE are quoting Umar Al-Qadri here in relation to the brutal murder in Blanchardstown without any context as to why

    No questions as to whether there might be an issue with homophobia in Islam

    But when a man of African heritage dies the media runs with it as evidence that Ireland is a racist country

    Clear as day double standards



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