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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    literally anywhere else. Its so ****. And its absolutely freezing in there too.

    Cannot wait for the match v Kilkenny on Sunday but im seriously considering just watching the Louth game on the box.
    5/6 of the ground will be empty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Will you sell out PP for the KK match? Dublin hurlers don't usually follow up one big performance with another but there's a chance of a historic victory here.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    You’d imagine it might get close. When i bought mine there was no stand tickets available ( not that i would go in there anyway )

    But €15 for a covered terrace ticket for a game like that is a steal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    There should be more interest after beating Galway as there is a really something at stake .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,118 ✭✭✭Trampas


    I like for Ger or Dean to say to Kilkenny I don’t want you to slow the ball down the majority of times but increase the pace. Time and place to do it but to many times when it gets into his hands it’s slow the pace and we start doing widths of the field. Scully and small can be guilty of it also



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    "What a joke that crowd in Croke Park was. What an embarrassment for the Dubs. They rocked up with 40,000 or 50,000 to all their big games in their heyday.

    Westmeath, a small county, outnumbered them. I'd say there 20,000-plus from Westmeath, only 10,000 or 12,000 from Dublin."

    https://www.balls.ie/gaa/pat-spillane-dublin-fans-westmeath-loss-655399

    Maybe it'll take a Kerry man laying into the dubs to get the dubs to take a break from the LOI for a few weeks. The only thing I'd change from pat Spillane's article would be the number you once brought was as high as 70k. But regularly brings 40-60k was very respectable.

    There's no coincidence the amount of grey hairs evident on hill 16 when it's the 10-40 year old but particularly in the early 20's cohort that the LOI has won over.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Well, maybe if the likes of Spillane didn't spend the last 10 years saying that Dublin should be split and that any wins were unfair and if anything, people should be embarrassed to support Dublin, it is no surprise that many people, especially when the team is playing so badly, have decided to take a break.

    Due to the GAA themselves, this was a nothing game. Sure, it meant so much to Westmeath, but for years, the Dubs have been treated as destroying the Leinster championship. Why would anyone spend their hard-earned money on that? Particularly when there is no jeopardy.

    Win, and the whole country will bemoan the further dismantling of the Leinster championship. And then Dublin face complaints about being flat-track bullies, or only winning because of Croke Park etc. Lose, and apart from some uncomfortable sledging, nothing else.

    This was a massive deal for Westmeath, a significant milestone for them and their supporters. For Dublin, it was just another Leinster final. Can you blame supporters for keeping their money in their pockets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    With the new format, the provincial Championship means nothing to most. If you get to the final you are in the latter stages of the Championship, even the draw took place before the finals.

    However, for those teams who haven't won it, it means a lot. For Louth last year and Westmeath this year, it meant something. For Dublin, it is now meaningless, even for Louth and Westmeath, it won't mean as much next year. Gives a better chance to the weaker teams of Leinster like Longford, Wicklow, Meath and Kildare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    When the success ends, the fair weather fans stay away.

    The same with all counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Exactly I was at the Leinster final last year loads of very fresh looking Meath jerseys that were old but “as new”. Not retro either. They are back in storage now!

    I heard before the core Dublin hurling support is about 3k. And would surmise that the core Dublin football support is around 20k. Because the DCB considered building a 25k stadium in the Spawell.

    Most flaky supporters to me are Kildare they were out in force under Micko. Kildare drew massive crowds then.

    But now Kildare people have given up, any I know with an interest in football are nearly embarrassed to discuss it.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    This deserves to be highlighted here from another thread. The football ranking table -

    IMG_3823.jpeg

    Dublin ranked 14th and it’s hard to argue against it.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The fair weather fans started to abandon long before the success ended however. Hence why there wasn't 50k dubs there on Sunday after you hammered Louth. We're talking real GAA people as well in a lot of cases where there love for Dublin gaa now starts and ends with their club. And in some cases that club is located in a neighbouring county.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Just regarding the Dublin attendance record league and championship over the last 20 years.
    The Dublin Baseline

    • Dublin
      • County Population: 1,458,154
      • 20-Year Combined Average Attendance: 32,500
      • Combined Per Capita Support: 2.2% Dublin easily tops the absolute charts, averaging roughly 32,500 fans across all winter and summer fixtures over the last 20 years. This includes major home league turnouts during the Croke Park "Spring Series" under the lights. However, because the capital's population base is vastly larger than any other county, their true year-round per capita conversion rate sits at 2.2%.

    :-;

    To give an idea how the Dublin football support would have to be to match Mayo ( the top dogs per capita support) here are the estimated figures:

    To match Mayo's level of engagement, Dublin's average match attendance would need to climb significantly.

    Based on the 20-year combined attendance baseline, Mayo holds a 14.1% per capita support rate.

    With County Dublin's population at 1,458,154, matching that exact percentage requires the following figures:

     Dublin's Required Year-Round Average: 205,600 supporters per match.

    To put an average of over 205,000 fans per game into perspective:

     The Stadium Requirement: It would mean filling Croke Park (capacity 82,300) to absolute maximum capacity 2.5 times over for every single fixture—including cold Allianz League games in January and February.

     The Absolute Gap: Dublin's actual 20-year combined league and championship average stands at 32,500 fans (a 2.2% per capita rate). To match Mayo's baseline, Dublin would need an additional 173,100 people to turn up to every match, year-round.


    Edit : I posted the top 10 football support by county per capita league and championship- 2006-2026 on the football championship thread more appropriate there. Interesting reading. No Kldare nor Meath in sight.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,118 ✭✭✭Trampas


    And simply ignore Kerry winning 87? Munster titles how its worse than Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It is interesting to see that poster from Meath (who doesn’t post on the Meath thread) response to you.

    It was unintentionally revealing. Mentioning Munster Hurling. Knowing full well that Munster Hurling is its own beast. It basically is hurling in all but name. The argument is a false equivalency.

    Yet that Meath poster (who never seems to in the Meath thread) ironically quotes Ewan McKenna: the Kildare blogger who deals in sensationalism to make a living. Doing so again to say that Dublin’s attendance implies that Dublin is not a GAA county. Letting on to “defend” Dublin.


    A statement (of course) which is completely incongruent with McKenna’s previous obsession and flawed logic re his previous favourite subject re Dublin - which is a subject for another thread.

    Unfortunately, I can’t reply to McKenna’s message on x . He long since blocked me. He has low tolerance for being politely challenged on his flawed logic and disingenuous arguments. Which is strange considering how vocal he likes to be on topics he is not very well informed on. But McKenna does have a market for his drivel, it appeals to a certain type of disingenuous individual.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Interesting from Ewan, contradicting himself of course, if Dublin is such a small GAA county, there was never any need to break it up.

    It also confirms my own thesis that the Dublin 6-in-a-row was head and shoulders above any other team ever, with the Kerry 4-in-a-row some long distance behind in second place. We should all appreciate that team for what it was, for the talent, for the greatest players ever like Cluxton, Fenton, McCarthy and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭VONSHIRACH


    Meath was split a long time ago. Westmeath have the better footballers now. Following the Norman invasion of Ireland, the territory of the Gaelic Kingdom of Meath formed the basis for the Anglo-Norman Lordship of Meath granted by King Henry II of England to Hugh de Lacy in 1172. Following the failure of de Lacy’s male heirs in 1241, the Lordship was split between two great-granddaughters. One moiety, a central eastern portion, was awarded to Maud (de Geneville) as the liberty of Trim; the other moiety, comprising north-eastern and western portions, went to Maud’s sister Margery (de Verdun) and in 1297 became the royal county of Meath. The liberty and royal county were merged in 1461. While the east of the county was in the English Pale, the west was Gaelicised in the fourteenth century and outside the control of the sheriff of Meath.

    As a part of the better administration of the newly established Kingdom of Ireland, the Parliament of Ireland passed the Counties of Meath and Westmeath Act 1543, the eastern portion retaining the name Meath and the western portion called Westmeath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Great article here discussing the Dublin hurlers record in Parnell Park against other counties since 2018 - the new format.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/05/20/fortress-parnell-park-dublins-record-against-kilkenny-says-otherwise/

    Since 2018, Dublin’s eight championship wins at Parnell Park have come against: Offaly (twice), Galway, Laois, Westmeath, Antrim, Wexford and Kildare.

    Their four championship defeats at the venue have come against Kilkenny (three times - the feckers) and Galway.

    Dublin’s Parnell Park record since 2018 (First year of new SHC format)

    Total: Played 30; Won 19; Lost 9; Drawn 2

    Championship: Played 13; Won 8; Lost 4; Drawn 1

    League: Played 17; Won 11; Lost 5; Drawn 1

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    The more I think about it, the more I think croke park shouldn’t be used for Dublin league games or early Leinster games. I get there’s no obvious alternative other then Parnell park , but there really should be. Several counties have a couple of stadiums they can use , it seems stupid that dublin footballers have literally 2 stadiums , one that’s never considered viable.

    A nice 20-25k stadium would be perfect and maybe zip the lips of the whiners about CP being Dublins home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    The whingers , will just whinge about something else , ie money , population , cars, lunches, sleeping in there own beds , refs ect etc 🙄🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    True, and the DCB were thinking along those lines but then reality and pragmatism kicked in. They said it would be a waste of money, and could be better spent for the county. Which is a fair point, but as you say we as fans got the worst of both worlds. I don't think any GAA supporter base has the same ground issue as Dublin. It is a uniquely Dublin issue.

    The real irony is I didn't get a ticket for the hurling match in Parnell. I assumed the stand tickets would "come back" but never did. The tickets go fast for a big match in Parnell. At least it is on the telly anyway.

    Even watching a packed Parnell match on telly you can feel the atmosphere of it. Tight pitch fans can hear managers/players can hear fans, and the fans can hear the players. I would say Parnell Park is my favourite ground in the country. Because of the atmosphere it can bring, and the great views of the match you get. Under lights in evening matches early in the year is great too.

    Could you get that with a 20/25k stadium I am not so sure ? Thats the trade off, more tickets less atmosphere? Croke Park has a real soulless feel to it unless there is 60k plus.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Really miss the Saturday night football league matches under the lights at Parnell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    Would you still agree with this Tombo? The five teams I mentioned were Galway, Roscommon, Mayo, Meath and Cork.

    After what I saw last Sunday, I wouldn't expect Dublin to beat any of those. Of course, on any given day, anything can happen. But I'd say the bookies would have Dublin going in as underdogs against all 5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Yeah fair enough, cant get away from that performance.

    I dont know the 'Con' situation, and P OCofaigh Byrne going off had a big impact.

    As also, the crowd being like a home match for Westmeath even though it was on in Dublin, that must have impacted on the Dubs.

    What I would come back to though - is that knockout games are different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    Just have our home games in Parnell Park. If people miss out so be it.
    Priority goes to season ticket holders and the rest go to club like they do for Cork hurlers.

    The Nell now sold out for Sunday. It’s nice to have a decent atmosphere for a home game in one code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    I’m looking forward more to going to that game then I have any Dublin at croke park in ages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Is also be interested to know if Dublin league matches actually cost the G.A.A. and whether Parnell park might actually make more money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Ah there is a book called GAAconomics out years ago, it dispelled a few GAA myths. Like if Croke Park got under 33k it is a loss maker. Completely untrue according to the book.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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