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The Boys - Amazon Prime Original - (**Spoilers**) (No Comic Spoilers!)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ah thats a pity. Weird to end career after being in a popular TV show, but acting does seem a tough gig.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Just finished the final episode a short while ago. Just like with Stranger Things earlier this year, I felt perfectly satisfied with the ending that was delivered. It all went exactly the way it had to go, but the actors made it work. A unique show, and one I will eventually re-watch without the long delays between seasons that exaggerated the effect of making it feel drawn out. That woz proppa entertainin', son.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


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    EElon Is mad at Kripke 😅😅😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,873 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Musk is the kind of guy who would say "C*nt" and tee-hee-hee himself to sleep thinking he's as cool as Butcher, without realising even aside from the obvious Musk parody they had, without his money he's just Homelander at the end with no powers. Actually even with his money he's more like The Deep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,241 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Was expecting a bit more from the Gen V characters, they added absolutely nothing to the plot. Thought Marie might have had played some part in the finale



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    it was very poorly thought out and done.

    pointless really. Marie was such a great character.

    Season 5 was a total let down, to be honest. Not GOT level, but still very frustrating.

    off the top of my head, from the shows I have seen, it is rare you get a good ending… MY favourites would be:

    The Expanse

    Star Trek TNG

    Superman and Lois

    Blackadder

    Angel

    Sopranos

    HouseMD

    The Shield

    (Twin Peaks - the return, I still wonder about)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,136 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Six Feet Under had a great ending

    Think one of the 'future death' happened in 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,017 ✭✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    They released teaser for Vought Rising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    So, thats where the budget went…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The budget for the finale was pathetic.

    The set for the White House looked so cheap and tacky.

    One room was about all we saw.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,419 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hes definitely one of the idiots who thought Homelander was the hero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Acosta


    The best thing about the final season, was how they brought ripping the absolute piss out of maga, to new levels.

    Don't think I'll bother with Vought Rising. Even though I enjoyed it, ultimately, Gen V seems like a waste of time. Given what they did, or more to the point, what they didn't do with Marie, in The Boys. And unless they plan on jumping forward in this show to post The Boys, we know what becomes of the characters. I think fan sentiment after the last couple of seasons of The Boys, could hurt VR chances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Id argue it was the worst thing.

    Eric Kripke tried to ram his political beliefs into the show. He seems to think Homelander is Trump despite the graphic novels being 20 years old.

    Even Starr who plays Homelander disagreed with Kripke on the direction taken, they made Homelander into a clown and completely nerfed him in the finale.

    https://ew.com/the-boys-antony-starr-donald-trump-comparisons-low-hanging-fruit-8759970

    Kripke said he was “bummed out” that Season 5 was written before the Presidential election.

    Its probably just as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭bren2001


    What relevance does the comics being written 20 years ago have? You can interpret any comic/book/literature via today’s lens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    It is the one thing the first few series absolutely nailed and arguably what made the series such a great watch. Wholly nuanced and intelligent political satire. It was all tongue-in-cheek. The un-PCness of the show wasn't just for the sake of it.

    I'd agree that it probably jumped the shark in all these aspects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    to be fair, they filmed the Homelanders jesus/god ambitions a year before donald posted AI memes of him appearing as jesus/the pope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,419 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I mean the biggest problem was that you had idiots somehow thinking Homelander and The Seven were the heroes of the show.

    Then they tried to make it extra obvious that they were the villains completely unaware that simultaneously America itself would shìt all over itself and be jumping that shark to well beyond parody levels.

    A few comedians/writers have said its almost impossible to parody America nowadays as what was seen as comically ridiculous a decade ago is now actually a factual documentary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,873 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Exactly. Kripke kept trying to outdo actual US culture war stuff, MAGA and Trump, and yet by the time the show was written, filmed, edited and aired, all that stuff had become reality. The show couldn't outdo Trump because Trump kept outdoing Trump.

    Trump posting AI slop of him being Jesus and healing sick with magic from his hands the same week as Homelander having a vision that he is to become a God... Kripke wasn't mocking Trump with that; Trump just debased himself that much that he became like Homelander.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Just binged the end of season 5.

    It was alright. Honestly I think my reaction was initially positive because of some of the feedback I heard making out it was Game of Thrones all over again.

    It certainly could've been much better. The final fight was extremely underwhelming, the Herogasm battle was far superior.

    Insane we didn't get Homelander going full unhinged on the general population like that dream from an earlier season.

    End for Soldier Boy after everything built up was truly pathetic. They might as well have put up a neon sign saying "reserved for future use".

    The ending for most characters felt rushed and not very impactful.

    I feel bad for the Gen V cast who were handed pointless cameos.

    The comic ending is 100% superior to what we got.

    Still, it was alright. A middling and somewhat mishandled ending to a once great show, but not a total disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Alright now that the dust has settled and I'm looking back the more I think the end-game was really poor.

    Soldier Boy disappears abruptly - we know what happened obviously, but as lame as it was for the audience, no-one else knows what happened him but literally nobody questions it, or mentions it.

    "It's what Clara would have wanted/I loved Clara for decades". Sorry what. This is the first we're hearing of this plot point.

    Absolutely stinks of the priority being Vought Rising and leaving Soldier Boy open ended for later shows rather than the final season of The Boys.

    Homelander in the Oval Office was slow and weak - he lasered Kimiko in half earlier in the season in a nonchalant way, but here his concentrated laser beams do nothing, and he was as fast as A-Train too, smashing through solid trees, scouring the landscape with lasers, earlier in the season.

    Keeping in mind Ryan, as a child, demolished V1 original Stormfront with his laser eyes in an earlier season.

    Homelander also struggles against Butcher and his tentacles despite Bombsight flinging Butcher around the place an episode earlier with raw strength and Bombsight shouldn't even have been a stain on Homelanders outfit.

    The finale was basically a crappier, shorter, lower budget version of the fight at Herogasm. It should've been a ton of people all taking Homelander on and losing badly until Kimiko/Soldier Boy blasts his powers away.

    Show ends and Vought still runs the world, the only difference is that Homelander is gone, going back to Butchers question - there will inevitably be another Homelander. But apparently the cast don't give a flying crap which is just bizarre - what a whole core anchor of The Boys not Homelander being a symptom of the problem rather than being THE problem??

    The Gen V crew do absolutely nothing. I would not expect Marie Moreau to defeat Homelander, or play a big role in same, given Boys fans would not necessarily have watched Gen V, but at least give her a brief intro and then have her help subdue Homelander in the oval office by attempting, even if failing, to pull the V from his blood or whatever.

    I've also seen people online mentioning Starlight flying Deep to the nearest beach despite having no idea that he was in the bold corner with sealife which would normally massively turn any fight in his favor. I will be honest, that never even occurred to me watching, but I suppose it is kinda dumb on reflection - for me, the lesser of the problems with the finale.

    Overall, I still stand by my original assessment. It's not a total disaster in that unlike say, Game of Thrones, you wouldn't necessarily be put off a rewatch, but I can't understand how they fumbled so terribly on so many basic points.

    Anthony Starr did an excellent job of being a snivelling, pathetic Homelander in that moment where his powers are gone. Unfortunately everything that led up to it just kinda…wasn’t so good.

    I also still think the show Homelander is vastly superior to comic Homelander purely based on Anthony Starr's performance as an unhinged, deity-like character increasingly crippled by emotional disturbance.

    But I prefer the comic ending for the sheer shocking twist that nobody saw coming, by comparison the show was as predictable as sunrise in the end, and even at that, the delivery of that predictable ending was pretty flat.

    Comic Ending: Black Noir doesn't die in the comic and never speaks but is close/loyal with Homelander. In the end, it's revealed that Black Noir is a physically superior, intellectually inferior genetic clone of Homelander as a fail-safe for Vought and is actually the one that committed unspeakable crimes, eg rape and murder of Becca as a form of blackmail for Homelander should he go rogue. So, the whole time Homelanders descent into madness, and Butchers hatred of him, is based on Homelander believing that he's doing terrible things and just not remembering, so he ends up embracing it and going insane. In the end, Black Noir kills Homelander at the White House during an epic battle, and then Butcher kills a victorious but badly injured Black Noir with a crowbar to the brain.

    Butcher also ends up killing most of The Boys in his quest to deploy the virus that will destroy all Supes, going back to the "there will be another Homelander angle".

    My closing thought on this is that Anthony Starr deserved a much better send off for such an iconic and impeccably acted character even if his fate was inevitable. Did I want the comic ending? Not really, totally understand why they pivoted away from it particularly the Butcher angle. But show Homelander deserved a better and more complex/layered end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,542 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Really struggling to finish the last season of this, I used to be running home from work to watch the latest eps of previous seasons. Theres just something really off about it, the parodies arent clever at all anymore, the whole influencer/ICE things they keep shoving in every two minutes, the quality has gone off a cliff. Cant stand Starlight/Frenchie/Hughie/Kimiko now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    If it’s done well. The problem writers seem to have these days is that they try to push an idea without any thought with no interesting or compelling idea behind it. It just comes off as heavy handed or the same jokes recycled over and over.

    The first few seasons were better than the comics but the end was way worse. The end in the comic is that homelander is trying to take over and become a president/king with sups as above non sups. Blacknoir turns out to be a clone placed in the seven to kill him if he becomes a problem but goes insane having to be with someone he’s ment to kill. He is the one that killed butchers wife and done pretty much all the bad things we thought homelander had. Butcher kills all the boys except Hue and they have a showdown in the White House where noir reveals his face. Noir kills homelander and butcher crowbars noirs brain out. Then Hugie kills butcher before he sets off the sup bomb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,241 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Kimiko being able to talk made her rather annoying due to how badly she was written



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,542 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Some people might not want the comic spoiled like that, it literally says

    (No Comic Spoilers!)

    in the title…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Both are finished now, the comics are years old at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,542 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Still a dick move though for people who might have just finished the tv series and wanted to see what the comics are like, but I suppose you got your little internet thrill and thats all that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,873 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    In fairness I would have took it that "No comic spoilers" would have meant don't reveal stuff from the comics to spoil the TV show given that the comics were all released. But it is a bit unfortunately ambiguous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,017 ✭✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




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