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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭rock22


    While feeling great sympathy for the situation in which his family now find themselves I cannot understand why they did not have insurance to cover the mortgage? . Such insurance was a pre-requisite for me any time i had a mortgage. Surely financial planning was down to him and his partner?

    Use of allowances are commonplace across the public sector and anyone in receipt of one knows they are not pensionable. But the allowance could be placed into some saving account for a rainy day.

    . Again I am sympathetic, as i would be for anyone who finds they didn't adequately prepare for this situation. But i don't think the tax payer should be on the hook for any shortfall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Trouble is there will be lots of Me2s if her unfortunate position is accommodated. Hopefully some way of isolating her case and addressing it will be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It the whole shebang man, time for Tubs to return. Bring back D4bes as well. Sure the quality of programming under her leadership team was the same as it is now.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,424 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Really Shaft…..I prefer my fairly extensive tax eurons to be used positively for promulgation of a proper public service broadcast outlet………Now if you don’t mind your tax dollar’s spaffed agin the wall outside Goggins or blown on flip flops or numerous junkets and failed investments, that’s your issue Shaft.

    All I can say is what’s your challenge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Maybe the stars of NKM could give her a dig out or a small cut from all the extra curricular gigs they do?

    IMG_6352.jpeg IMG_6353.jpeg

    These 4 stars in particular have been all over my LinkedIn for the past week. Were they all approved by the DG in advance? Was permission even sought?

    Maybe The Toyman who single handedly (according to some) raised millions for charity could turn those fundraising skills to this cause or maybe just maybe use some of the kindness he preached for years and help her?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    He has actually called for Tubs to be reinstated as the host of TLLS.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭rock22


    Do you think that is fair? That, alone amongst all people affected by this rule, only his partner gets bailed out by the tax payer?

    If you do, could you explain why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I think the fairness of it is for others with the full facts and power to act to judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    My history degree helps me with these things.

    There are still things such as books where you can discover it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    from the Irish Times but behind a paywall:

    IMG_6381.jpeg

    you could remove the word “journalist” and replace it with manager, employee, contractor, receptionist, cleaner, and many more titles and descriptors.

    Any idea who this journalist is?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So I am going to bring up someone else's pay. Daithi O'Se, doesn't he have it good and sure if I where him wouldn't I be taking the pay cheque but do RTÉ really value their top Daytime presenter or do they over value him, I sided with RTÉ over valuing Daithi.

    Daithi is paid 192k (2025) and 196k (2026). We will assume that this is all Daithi gets. That the contract covers his work on Seal le Daithi which is produced by Nemton for RTÉ for TG4, and that it also includes The Rose of Tralee, long with Daytime TV show Today. (not forgetting St. Paddy's Day).

    But lets look BBC breakfasts hosts

    Naga Munchetty - gets between 355K - 360K (she also has a 3 day radio show on BBC Radio)

    Jon Kay - gets between 225K - 230K (along with various radio and podcasts work)

    Sally Nugent - gets between 195K - 200K

    Charlie Stayt - get between 190K - 195K

    They present between 3 to 4 episodes of a 3 and a half hour show, each week. Each presenting 130 - 140 per year.

    Today has about 166 each year, now based on episodes Since Jan, Daithi would be lucky to be presenting 150 per year.

    Today is also a shorter show it goes out for 2 hours 10 minutes each day and on top of this, as I discovered, Friday's episode is prerecorded. So Daithi has a 4 day week. (With both co-hosts having a 2 day working week, and I am sure they are just as well paid).

    Now much like the BBC Breakfast presenters Daithi doesn't live close to the studio and sure when your earning UK market rates in Ireland why wouldn't you copy the BBC presenters by living on the other side of the country.

    Now if you don't think this is a waste of money in a small market like Ireland, I don't know what I can do to convince you otherwise.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    If he was represented by NKM he’d probably be on more.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What book on Shackleton have I not read that mentions it?

    History degree, LOL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Don't knock Arts degrees, plenty of nerd folk have degrees in History…. along with Greek and Roman Civilization…. and they rarely if ever mention it.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Not knocking alleged Arts degrees. How many do you need to answer a straight question?

    Shackleton was a unionist no disputing that or that he visited Belfast, it's the other claims that I'm seeking to find a source for. Even a year for this would help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Oh! now that like asking how many RTÉ staff do you need to screw in a light bulb.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Why are you mocking a history degree? That’s not very kind is it? Your beloved Toyman claims he loves history, he wouldn’t approve of your mockery.

    Then again he also claims to be a political anorak and nerd - but thought Joe Biden was POTUS twice so I guess we can’t really believe anything he says, can we?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    You were mocking, and now you’ve doubled down on it by including “alleged” too. It’s really not kind, your beloved Toyman used to constantly talk about kindness - just like another kindness merchant Ellen DeGeneres.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-boss-kevin-bakhurst-writes-to-staff-after-family-of-late-sean-rocks-left-very-disadvantaged-financially-by-pension-situation/a/152587602.html

    Bakhurst still doesn't get it, I understand theres nothing he can do now in regard to Rocks, but he won't admit there was a problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    There are a number of missing details. My conclusion is that Sean was not financially literate, at all. There are no figures. Were they married, Inheritance Tax? Mortgage protection insurance? Value of home? Why still (big?) mortgage at 64? Personal responsibility to pay AVC or have own private pension scheme etc. Death in service payment? I assume his basic salary was what of a Producer, 90k. With a pension to match. More than most pensioners and widows in this country have to live on.

    I predicted big issues (cost) with back funding pensions for the bogus self employment employees. But for actual employees as well, is more than enough to closedown any normal company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,424 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Your conclusion is probably accurate . There are and were several other similar scenarios wafting around RTE.

    Sean was a nice lad on air and it said he did a lot of ‘compering’ and stuff which surely attracted fees?

    As DC intimated given published salaries there shouldn’t really have been major financial issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    I know there are more. Ruth Buchanan was another 'contractor' who years ago had to prove in court she was an employee. This issue has been going on for decades.

    Post edited by Dublin Calling on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    He's a manager not a 'leave it with me' Irish politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So just to move away from contracts and pay: -

    Has RTÉ changed in the last 3 years?

    And for others that might be a question in relation to pay and contracts in RTÉ, Certainly if RTÉ were going through their staff with a fine tooth comb they would have had a question about Sean Rocks, as much as the had about Mooney.

    But from a programming perspective has anything changed? Perhaps the two annual reports when published will tell us more for 2025, but 2024 AR and Commissioning AR do not point to any real change.

    In 2016 funding Children's content was significantly cut. Taking a look at both annual reports for 2024 it shows a total of €5.5m spent on such content, or a small drop of 100K

    Now the AR for commissioning states spend on local programming in 2024 came to €3.5m, which was a drop of €700K on local programming.

    Drama is also over looked. There are 3 areas in-house productions (Fair City), independent productions and Co-productions.

    The AR for 2024 shows a drop of 4m from 2023 to €19m.

    The Commission AR shows a total spend of €1.8m a drop of €4m.

    While the AR states that €7.2m was spend on Irish programming acquisitions, this included Drama co-productions along with other bought in programming such as Film, Lifestyle and other content which RTÉ have nothing to do with but buy in.

    That means that FC is cost around €16 - 18m to produce, while outside of this between €5 and €7m million is being funded by RTÉ.

    For a programme to be entered into the commissioning annual report RTÉ must provide at least 25% of its funding to the producer.

    Then we have comedy, little change there other than a new Head of Comedy.

    Current Affairs they dropped the weekly Q&A style show, while they have not decided to return news to RTÉ2.

    RTÉ2's original content is negligible, as is the Players original content.

    In general what has change in RTÉ over the last 3 years, is it all governance issues being uncovered, what is the rest of the leadership team doing?

    And now we are into KB4's 3rd summer on the job, RTÉ is heading off for its annual bus man's holiday.

    I see little to no change and I suspect RTÉ think its output is good enough and always has been.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    This Seán Rocks thing is weird.

    We are apparently meant to regard it as evidence of institutional scandal that a 64-year-old man died without enough guaranteed income for his wife and family to indefinitely remain in their existing home. Days of headlines, politicians queueing up to ask questions about it, and all of it being brought into the public domain by his wife.

    Yet we are very obviously not being told the full facts and instead get emotionally loaded lines like:

    “She got in touch with RTÉ about Rocks’s pension and was given a number that seemed completely out of whack to Seán’s earnings.”

    If I dropped dead tomorrow, my partner might also well end up saying: “his pension didn’t match his income”. But then I am 42.

    Rocks died young, yes. 64 is relatively young these days. But it is also two years from the State pension age. By 64, most people’s retirement planning, including housing, life insurance, pension structure and family provision, would reasonably be expected to have moved well beyond the theoretical stage, particularly where young dependent children are involved.

    And the final salary thing is neither here nor there. For most of us are now on defined contribution pensions. We know we’re on our own, except for the state pension, and know that if we want anything approaching a decent income in our old age, we need the mortgage cleared, we need to pay chunky AVCs, and we need a fair amount of luck as its all tied up in the fupping stock market. We know that one or two tweets by Trump could crash the whole thing and we end up working to 70.

    None of this means that RTE should escape scrutiny if they genuinely mishandled his employment classification. If he spent years trying to regularise his position and was repeatedly ignored, then that is a legitimate grievance. But the man was 64. At some point surely he should have got his act together either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The Irish always had abundance of empathy and few if any politicians get elected here without taking that into account.

    The Rocks story is Liveline with RTE self-flagellating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    To me it seems that Seán Rocks was first employed as a Producer in 2000, he was then moved to presenter.

    RTÉ contrived (weather legally or illegally) that they would not contribute to the pension on your acting up salary but only on your base salary.

    E.g. lets say your on 50,000 and your employer pays 5% into a pension for you, they put 2,500 into that pension each year.

    Your employer sometime later offers you a job acting up and says it's a 10,000 increase but this is not pensionable. So the employer continues to pay their 2500 contribution each year, saving them 500.

    Now potential your contribution remains only on the 50K also, so you agree.

    When you exit your pension is lower than expected due to this arrangement.

    Would be the kind of stuff a late night sit down with Tubs on TLLS is made off.

    Post edited by RoTelly on

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "RTÉ contrived (weather legally or illegally) that they would not contribute to the pension on your acting up salary but only on your base salary.
    E.g. lets say your one 50,000 and your employer pays 5% into a pension for you, they put 2,500 into that pension each year.Your employer sometime later offers you a job acting up and says its a 10,000 increase but this is not pensionable. So the employer continues to pay their 2500 contribution each year, saving them 500. Now potential your contribution remains only on the 50K also, so you agree. When you exit your pension is lower than expected do to this arrangement."

    That would seem reasonable to do if the 'topup allowance' is a small % of your remuneration say up to 20%.

    If Sean Rocks was presenting Arena for all the time, is it possible his 'topup allowance' for presenting was more like 40%? 60%?
    That's when the situation needs to be reviewed.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think we here on boards are possibly the most critical of the RTÉ talent. And some might say overly so.

    So Jenny Z's accusation that Doireann Garrihy suffered a "witch hunt" while her male counterparts escaped the same scrutiny seems far fetch too me, I think at least here on this thread an many others we are an equal opportunities witch hunting machine (indeed some might even think we have Tubs DS).

    I'd argue that nepo-baby Lottie came in for much more criticism.

    But don't worry "Doireann was well able for it"…. poor Lottie.

    Donncha O'Callaghan had previously praised Doireann "resilience to keep going when all the rats kept chipping away".

    TBH I think these people have a huge amount of self-importance. How Donncha got roles as a presenter is a big question, he's been on Radio and TV for the last decade or more, and he was one of many regular stand-in's for Daithi O'Se when off on one of his many breaks from the Today show, Donncha couldn't string 2 sentences together.

    But look can now be revealed that "Doireann didn’t even leave, she just went on holidays, and came back in a couple of months", I was sure Doirean sent in a demo-tape like all the other 700 applicants.

    Jenny Z has a lot of ideas about a new version of TLLS, but not interested in the gig, but I heard little from her in relation to TLLS over the years.

    Ah! The poor girls, those men hiding way in their sponsored Cars. Carl Mullen possibly just isn't as famous as Doireann, but it doesn't pass us by that he presents a 4 hour radio show and still has time to meet up with Doireann to promote the Lotto.

    TBH I am never sure about Jenny Z, on the one hand I think she's followed through with the "I want to spend more time with my family" unlike many others who said similar and on the other I wonder is it that she just doesn't have anything else other than DWTS.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/17001317/rte-money-row-jennifer-zamparelli-defends-doireann-garrihy/

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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