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Eurovision Song Contest 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    You're taking the actions of one extremist individual this week, fascistic in my opinion, after the contest had already taken place, and using them to retrospectively justify a boycott decision that was made beforehand. Those actions have also been widely condemned within Israel itself, based on a quickly look at their national media, including Bibi himself.

    More broadly, many of the accusations you list are also levelled against other countries that participate in Eurovision, including Azerbaijan, yet there has never been a comparable campaign against their participation. That inconsistency matters, because it suggests the standards being applied to Israel are not being applied uniformly to everyone else, and that's where you've got a problem.

    That selective outrage is key, and exploring what makes the target of the selective outrage unique reveals the true motive behind the campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,204 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    So now that we know how Pete x Linda did, can we all agree Finland should have sent this (definitely the last time, I promise)… 🙂

    Please, no need to thank me for today’s earworm! Top 3 finish!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Grand, so instead of admitting Israeli actions in Gaza & Palestine are just plain wrong it’s just whataboutery and conflation of anti Zionism with antisemitism. It’s great we sorted that out so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭archfi


    Finland are aa great source of entertainment!

    Now while I don't particularly like "reaction" videos, I think someone here mentioned these two guys and since then I've been watching heaps of their videos.

    The massive smiles on their faces tells me their reactions are at least somewhat real!

    "What does that even mean, vetting?"

    -Michael Martin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The issue with the banning of Israel is not just on the basis of 2.5 years of waging war and genocide on innocent civilians, but equally on the fiddling of ESC voting.

    The very recent actions of senior Israeli officials is symptomatic of a very damaged State, which even Israel's abhor, and those actions are not isolated one-offs - they've been going on for decades.

    Notable that Alleged War Criminal (at large) Netanyahu simply said "these are not the values of Israel" - weasel words indeed. He should have just fired Ben-Gvir. But didn't. Because he doesn't care what Gvir does - he only cares what the public thinks and what is reported. And by virtue of your own post, many will be of the view "sure he condemned it, so everything is grand". But many more will know exactly what is at play here - smoke & mirrors and "squirrel"….

    Israel has no part in ESC and certainly does not practice any of the values that the ESC promotes.

    The only motives behind banning Israel are that cheating and murderous nations should not be participants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    That's an interesting response. I never mentioned Jews, antisemitism, or anti-Zionism anywhere in my comment, yet you immediately re-framed it in those terms. Why did you make that leap, when the actual points I raised were about consistency and standards?

    Just to re-cap, my argument was very straightforward:

    1. A boycott position that already existed before Eurovision is now being retrospectively justified using the actions of one extremist individual after the contest had concluded.
    2. Those actions were widely condemned within Israel itself, including across Israeli media and by Netanyahu's own government.
    3. Many of the allegations used to justify excluding Israel from Eurovision are also levelled at other participating states, including Azerbaijan, yet there has never been a remotely comparable campaign against their participation.
    4. That inconsistency matters, because if the standard is supposed to be universal, then it should be applied universally. Otherwise people are entitled to ask why one country is uniquely singled out. I think that's fair.

    As you can see, none of that requires "conflation of anti-Zionism with antisemitism".

    This is largely emotional rhetoric rather than an actual engagement with the argument being made.

    You say Israel has "no part in ESC", but objectively it does: it is part of Eurovision, has participated for decades, and remains a member broadcaster within the EBU framework. Saying it "has no part" is simply asserting the conclusion you want rather than establishing a principle.

    You also never address the core point about consistency. I'll reframe it in the hope that you'll be better placed to respond this time around: if participation is to be determined on moral or political grounds, then why are comparable standards not applied uniformly to other participating states accused of serious human rights abuses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    reveals the true motive behind the campaign.

    What did you mean by this sentence? What "true motive" are you insinuating?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    My guess is that the “true motive” is probably anti Zionism or anti Jew in nature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There's no way RTE left the Contest on a whim or for reasons other than the boycott. Eurovision is one of the main events in their calendar, alongside the Toy Show, Rose of Tralee, All Ireland Final etc. Also, the decision was taken by the Director General and the RTE Executive Board, not by the entertainment or news divisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I'm sure the poster can answer for themselves and state what they mean.

    But it's interesting that you believe anti Zionism to be the same as "anti jew".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    It’s interesting that you believe that something I didn’t write is what I meant.

    Im sure the poster can answer for themselves if they feel like. I can put forward my guess if I feel like. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    For consistency then, there is only one current participant in ESC that has/is

    1. Committing Genocide
    2. Consistently fiddling the public vote - KAN was warned this time round by EBU - no other broadcaster was. A key reason for the five broadcasters boycotting the vote

    No other participant is doing one or two above. Hence the focus on Israel being banned from ESC.

    If any additional participants start committing genocide and/or fiddles the public voting, I'd be full square behind a ban for them too.

    There's nothing emotional or rhetorical about the reasons - they are just facts. That's what everyone else sees anyhow. You clearly see it differently - fair enough. But it's by far the minority view judging by the palpable relief that Israel didn't win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,204 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    Ain’t gonna lie boardsies, the post-Eurovision depression is kicking in hard now!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,180 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Yeah and nobody cared that RTE didn't broadcast eurovision.

    Actually nobody gave a toss we didn't even enter the competition.

    Eurovision will be hoping Spain are back next year, Ireland not showing up next year is irrelevant to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭supereurope


    If it was 1999, 2002, 2003, 2008 or 2010, the contest wouldn't have happened yet :)

    Though i prefer the early/mid-May date, I didn't like those years when it drifted until late May, practically into June…too late.

    I say, bring back Eurovision in March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,204 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    A reminder of just how good this performance was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    You're still largely assuming the conclusion rather than establishing the governing principle. Your argument only works if everyone first accepts:

    1. that genocide has been conclusively established,

    2. that the alleged Eurovision misconduct is uniquely disqualifying,

    3. and that these are the standards Eurovision should apply for exclusion.

    But those are precisely the contested points.

    That’s why I keep asking the same question. I'll reframe, again, for a third and final time, it in the hope that you'll be better placed to respond this time around: what is the neutral, universally applicable principle here, and how is it being applied consistently across all participating states?

    You can infer that, sure, but you can't really state it as fact unless you have access to the discussions or some explicit confirmation of the reasoning behind the decision. I could just as easily infer that the same people were unwilling to endure another humiliation on the international stage after Ireland was dumped out at the semi-final stage, yet again.

    I'm merely arguing inconsistency in standards here, as outlined in points 1–4 of that post, so I don't believe that's a question for me to answer. My comment was simply a side note about the leap the other poster made. It surprised me, so I drew attention to it and questioned it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Shakyfan


    Maybe take this over to the news forums because it's getting boring here…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭dmcdona




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    You didn't answer the question. On each occasion, you assumed the conclusion rather than establishing the governing principle, even after I re-framed the question and switched to a numbered format in case the paragraph structure was the issue.

    At this point, I don't think there's any value in continuing the discussion further, so I'm going to leave it there and return to discussing the songs, artists, performances, and the contest itself on this thread.

    Have a nice day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I did actually, but you're right, let's agree to disagree and enjoy the weather and the ESC winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭ConcertKing


    The greatest interval act in Eurovision Song Contest history in Oslo in 2010 and it genuinely felt like Europe was united by music on this night.Makes me really emotional anytime I watch this and I have seen it hundreds of times at this stage!

    No mobile phones!Just everyone dancing and so much happiness and joy!

    Really miss times like this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭derb12


    That was great, thanks! Simpler times. Mad to see the son of princess mette-Marit who’s in all sorts of trouble now at around the 6:20 mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Interesting to see some rumours going around in the last few days that Saturday 1 May is being considering as the date for the 2027 grand final. That would mean the semi-finals take place the last week of April, so we'd have our first Eurovision in April since 1994.

    I doubt it'll happen, I think I've read previously that the EBU have always avoided choosing 1 May as the contest date, as it's a public holidays in most European countries.

    Still, I'd love to see the contest move a little earlier in the calendar. There was a time when it seemed to be pushed later into May…2002 was held on 25 May, 2003 and 2008 (final) on 24 May, 2012 (final) on 26 May, 1999 and 2010 (final) on 29 May. That's too close to June, and I would have hated to see the contest move to June…it would been lost among the various major sports events held in June…every two years, June sees a major football tournament, for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I'm calling it now…Senhit's next Eurovision partner will be Vanilla Ice.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Haven't seen the rumours about 1st of May, but I doubt that'll happen. Second or third week of May seems to be the sweet spot, so I imagine it'll stay there.

    I wouldn't be against it being held on the 1st though, I'd rather it there than very late in May.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    The final got 131 million viewers this year, down 35 million (21%) on last year

    https://x.com/i/status/2062918747094929837

    But it's all good, nothing to see here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It would be interesting to see the reasons for the continuing drop.

    Is it the boycotts, is it the participation of Israel (and vote manipulation), is it EBU mismanagement, is it ESC being seen as less "relevant", is it that (in my opinion) the majority of songs are rubbish? Or a combination of all the above.

    Perhaps if an depth survey was done as to the reasons, the ESC could be rescued? Or should it just be allowed to gently wither and die? Or if the cheating was stamped out, would there be a reinvigoration?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Yep, yet again, the EBU is the personification of the "Everything is fine" meme. According to the press release, everything is great! Lots of young viewers!! The highest-ever viewing figures in Austria (the host country) and Australia (which sent a big name)!! Lots of TikTok activity!!

    It's all great!!



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