Is Irelands neutrality stance in WW2 unfairly criticized? (see Mod note 217)

You are not even trusting official Documents on Irish Foreign Policy now?

Do read and try to keep up.

It did not take an Einstein to know that one of the main reasons for a Nazi member like Hempel and his official German team in Dublin during the war was to enable the German Abwehr (military intelligence) - which heavily relied on neutral Ireland as a transit and communication route - to use Dublin and the German "Embassy" as a route to funnel intelligence back to Berlin. One of the main reasons for their existence, everyone knew that.

Kinda hard to prove iif it was Hempel or one of his team who may have sent the info. One person may deny all knowledge of it.

Much easier for the FBI in the States to know for definite that Aiken had said Ireland had nothing to itfear from a German victory. They knew that because he had said it. Roosevelt asked Aiken after that "why he had said Ireland had nothing to fear from a German victory." Of course Aiken then denied he had said that, but bottom line, there was a row, knives and cutlery flying, and Aiken failed in his mission to buy arms for Ireland.

Rubbish. Everything I said is correct. Here is the back up:

 "On April 30, 1945, Gray presented another request for American forces be allowed to seize the German legation in Dublin in order to get hold of German codes in case some U-boats tried to carry on the struggle after Germany's impending surrender.

As Gray lectured him, "De Valera grew red and looked very sour. He was evidently annoyed, but his manners were correct".

"When I finished, he slapped the copy of the memorandum, which I had presented him, on his desk. 'This is a matter for my legal advisers,' the Taoiseach said; 'it is not a matter I can discuss with you now'."

Time was of the essence, Gray argued, but De Valera terminated the discussion.

Next day Gray was informed that Hempel would be told to hand over his keys once Germany surrendered. The Americans could then, and only then, take charge of the legation.

THEY were not going to have to wait very long because the news broke that day of Hitler's death."

If the embassy was not handed over until May 10th, I was correct in what I said. It gave Hempel "a week to 10 days" to destroy much information etc.

Here is the link from the Examiner:

Why are you jumping back to Aiken now? Where is the proof that Aiken said it? Surely if the FBI knew it there would some memo or letter to FDR.

Did you know that the head of the OSS Bill Donovan interviewed Aiken before his meeting with FDR?

Some highlights

Some of his questions were –

Did we want the Germans to win, and did we think a German victory would be better for Ireland than a British victory?

If we got a settlement of Partition would we join the war?

If America entered the war and guaranteed our position would we give the Bases?

Did I, personally, want the Germans to win?

And here was his answer

During all the cross-examination I took our usual stand that our people would not enter a war to fight a potential aggressor on the side of the only power that had aggressed them to date, and that an effort on the part of any Government to bring the people into the war would simply create national disruption and result in the overthrow of the Government proposing it. The people had made up their minds on this and I personally had made up my mind on it. We were solely pro- Irish in the war and wished for a victory for the ideals for which we stood – the right to determine our own life and to decide the issue of war and peace for our- selves unless attacked. We did not contemplate settling the Partition question by force. Our policy was to prevent the country being used as a base of attack against England. We had stood by this policy to the knowledge of the British Government and would not be driven from it. We would not ask the British forces into our territory even though we were assured that the Germans were going to attack us within ten days, as the morale of our people required it to be clearly proved who was the aggressor. If the British feared an attack on our country by the Germans the proper thing for them to do was to arm us, and those arms would be very much more effective in the hands of Irishmen defending their own soil than in the hands of foreigners defending a strategic outpost.

Why did cutlery go flying? You should know this because I tell you every time you try use it to prove a point incorrectly!

So even though Hitler was dead, Berlin had fallen, the Allies in the west had literally met up and shaken hands with the Russians at the Elbe, Germany was defeated …we would not do anything even then to help the allies, even though some other previously neutral countries did, and even though Germany has disregarded International law in every country it dealt with, including ours by bombing us on a number of occasions, sinking our clearly identifiable merchant ships we had leased etc.

Our respect for the Nazis meant that much to us. Even when Dev was promised a United Ireland in return for the use of the treaty ports in the Allies hour of need, we did not lend them back ( they were built by the British and given to us in goodwill in 1938). Dev thought the Germans would win the war. He backed the wrong horse.

A lot of people do know of him too. In your link it says his job was to "decode wireless messages being covertly transmitted via Morse code from a house in north Dublin owned by the German Embassy. The coded messages posed a huge threat to Irish national security and the wider war effort.". Sure he cracked a code, but the Germans changed code frequently, and had more than one radio. The Allies knew all this, from triangulation etc. Fair plate to Hayes all the same.

At the end of the RTE link it says " In reality Ireland did everything it could to assist the Allies bar sending troops". That is not true. Other countries changed sides in 1944 for example. In the closing days of ww2 in the Spring of 1945 we were asked to do the Allies a turn and probably save some Allied lives, but even when Hitler was dead we did not do that.

Despite the fact Germany had bombed us lots of times and sunk our ships, all with loss of life.

Oh, we sent a weather report from Belmullet during the war. Although we did not of course know what it would be used for. Very helpful. The Allies had not many ships or planes in the Atlantic, which met. data could be retrieved from.

Germany was defeated …we would not do anything even then to help the allies, even though some other previously neutral countries did, and even though Germany has disregarded International law in every country it dealt with, including ours by bombing us on a number of occasions, sinking our clearly identifiable merchant ships we had leased etc.

The war didn't end until the 9th of May, getting us to break international law cause "they did it first" is about as good a defence as "I was only following orders"!

Dev thought the Germans would win the war. He backed the wrong horse.

An opinion shared at the time by the US ambassador to the UK Joseph P. Kennedy (JFK's father) among many other prominent Americans. He didn't "back the wrong horse" merely looked at the evidence in front of him and deduced the likely outcome.

and they exonerated Hempel.

Probably because they realised what most historians agree on, and this distinction is key IMO:
Hempel 'served' the Nazi regime as a diplomat as many diplomats and soldiers did.
He was not a Nazi by ideology.

The irony is that argue for us to stand up to Dictators like Hitler whilst ignoring that 90% of the country at the time objected to joining the war! It's almost like they wanted a Dictator to run Ireland (or maybe the King!)

Again the knowledge deficit.

As most people know after 1933 German diplomats were pressured to join the Nazi party and did for career continuity etc.
It is not evidence therefore of allegience to Nazi ideology.
Because of this 'catergories' had to be formulated and Hempel was in this one:

NSDAP-member career diplomat serving the Nazi state without evidence of high-level ideological or security apparatus involvement.

Do your due diligence Francis before slinging mud you hope will stick.

Again, your issue is with the Allies who let this 'Nazi' go free.

You keep repeating this again and again despite it been shown to you many times that all diplomats were forced to join the party. You also ignore the fact that everyone preferred Hempel rather than a proper Nazi!

The Irish government preferred a non-National Socialist as minister. Hitler initially did not interfere with the foreign service; he later gave diplomats living abroad the option of either joining the Nazi party or leaving the service and ‘reeducation’. Hempel joined on 1 July 1938. He gave the Nazi salute at the Royal Dublin Horse Show in the presence of the president, Douglas Hyde (qv), the taoiseach, Éamon de Valera (qv), and the tánaiste, Seán T. O'Kelly (qv). The Auslandsorganisation kept an eye on German nationals abroad. Hempel's predecessor in Dublin, von Dehn Schmidt, was disgraced for kissing the papal nuncio's ring.

Unless you can find something new stop repeating the same debunked theories!

No, they sent him through the denazification process where he was found Category V Exonerated!

It was not water under the bridge, Germany were prosecuting war crimes up until 2024 (a secretary). I doubt they would let someone who you claim leaked details of Dieppe and cost thousands of lives waltz back into a job in the Foreign office without so much as a black mark to his name. Even other Diplomats in other neutral countries were classed as Category III or IV!

Have you are link to any survey or other data that shows 90% of the country objected to helping the Allies even in the closing days or weeks of the war when Germany was defeated?